Hi DrTrigon,
"wiki" is reserved by Family.known_families. You know you get the related dbName of a site just by Site.dbName() which returns "dewiki_p" for "wikipedia:de". Thereby for historic reasons, the databases are called xxwiki instead of xxwikipedia for Wikipedias.
You are using side effects doing your dbname2wikilink() conversion and I am sure you are able to modificate this stuff with stuff.replace("wiki:", "wikipedia:") if needed. In other words (your wrote me) "There should be one-- and preferably only one --__obvious__ way to do it" and btw "Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch" (again: PEP20, The Zen of Python)
Sali ;)
xqt
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"wiki" is being use as the interwiki link to the original wiki, WikiWikiWeb at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, so you shouldn't use that for anything related to Wikipedia. You are getting it returned since Wikipedias can use it as an interwiki link to the WikiWikiWeb, i.e. [[:wiki:WelcomeVisitors]] becomes http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors
So this means essentially 'wiki' in toolserver DB (like e.g. 'dewiki') does not refer to the same as 'wiki' in pywikipediabot and interwiki... (strange...)
But would also explain this 'inconsistency'... ;)
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Hello xqt!
First thanks - and sorry for re-raising the issue! I'm aware that you tried to explain me - in fact you did well, but still I was able to confuse myself again... ;) (may be since ID: 3084721 was still open)
Site.dbName() is very simple since it just returns '%swiki_p' % code (for historic reasons ;). As you correct statet I need a 'dbname2wikilink()' conversion, which I try to do in a most general way. And as you said I am using a (dirty and bad) side effect. Now thats the point - is there really no other correct way of doing it (beside text modification with 'replace' - which is essantially what I am doing now)? What about loading all families to call their 'dbName()' member? Somehow brute force... isn't it? :)
So since we (finally ;) can agree to PEP20 (The Zen of Python) I would like to write such a 'dbname2wikilink()' and this without breaking the rules. So where to place? 'wikipedia.Site', 'textlib', ...? And what method to use? Modification with 'replace', 'family.dbName', ...? (Hopefully you are Dutch and can give me some hints...? ;))
Thanks a lot for your patience (and good memory! ;)) Greetings Dr.Trigon
Am 30.08.2011 22:50, schrieb info@gno.de:
Hi DrTrigon,
"wiki" is reserved by Family.known_families. You know you get the related dbName of a site just by Site.dbName() which returns "dewiki_p" for "wikipedia:de". Thereby for historic reasons, the databases are called xxwiki instead of xxwikipedia for Wikipedias.
You are using side effects doing your dbname2wikilink() conversion and I am sure you are able to modificate this stuff with stuff.replace("wiki:", "wikipedia:") if needed. In other words (your wrote me) "There should be one-- and preferably only one --__obvious__ way to do it" and btw "Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch" (again: PEP20, The Zen of Python)
Sali ;)
xqt
----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: "Dr. Trigon" dr.trigon@surfeu.ch An: pywikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 30.08.2011 19:02 Betreff: Re: [Pywikipedia-l] 'wiki' as synonym for 'wikipedia' in family?
"wiki" is being use as the interwiki link to the original wiki, WikiWikiWeb at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, so you shouldn't use that for anything related to Wikipedia. You are getting it returned since Wikipedias can use it as an interwiki link to the WikiWikiWeb, i.e. [[:wiki:WelcomeVisitors]] becomes http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors
So this means essentially 'wiki' in toolserver DB (like e.g. 'dewiki') does not refer to the same as 'wiki' in pywikipediabot and interwiki... (strange...)
But would also explain this 'inconsistency'... ;)
Thanks and Greetings
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Just to finish this topic, I've created a function:
dblink2wikilink(site, dblink) which takes a (any available) site object and the link text given with dblink syntax and returns the according interwiki link (still as text). This interwiki link can then be used with the page object.
Feel free to use or put the code upstream, as you like; it is given in r165: https://fisheye.toolserver.org/changelog/drtrigon?cs=165
Thanks for the support and Greetings DrTrigon
Am 31.08.2011 10:28, schrieb Dr. Trigon:
Hello xqt!
First thanks - and sorry for re-raising the issue! I'm aware that you tried to explain me - in fact you did well, but still I was able to confuse myself again... ;) (may be since ID: 3084721 was still open)
Site.dbName() is very simple since it just returns '%swiki_p' % code (for historic reasons ;). As you correct statet I need a 'dbname2wikilink()' conversion, which I try to do in a most general way. And as you said I am using a (dirty and bad) side effect. Now thats the point - is there really no other correct way of doing it (beside text modification with 'replace' - which is essantially what I am doing now)? What about loading all families to call their 'dbName()' member? Somehow brute force... isn't it? :)
So since we (finally ;) can agree to PEP20 (The Zen of Python) I would like to write such a 'dbname2wikilink()' and this without breaking the rules. So where to place? 'wikipedia.Site', 'textlib', ...? And what method to use? Modification with 'replace', 'family.dbName', ...? (Hopefully you are Dutch and can give me some hints...? ;))
Thanks a lot for your patience (and good memory! ;)) Greetings Dr.Trigon
Am 30.08.2011 22:50, schrieb info@gno.de:
Hi DrTrigon,
"wiki" is reserved by Family.known_families. You know you get the related dbName of a site just by Site.dbName() which returns "dewiki_p" for "wikipedia:de". Thereby for historic reasons, the databases are called xxwiki instead of xxwikipedia for Wikipedias.
You are using side effects doing your dbname2wikilink() conversion and I am sure you are able to modificate this stuff with stuff.replace("wiki:", "wikipedia:") if needed. In other words (your wrote me) "There should be one-- and preferably only one --__obvious__ way to do it" and btw "Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch" (again: PEP20, The Zen of Python)
Sali ;)
xqt
----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: "Dr. Trigon" dr.trigon@surfeu.ch An: pywikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 30.08.2011 19:02 Betreff: Re: [Pywikipedia-l] 'wiki' as synonym for 'wikipedia' in family?
"wiki" is being use as the interwiki link to the original wiki, WikiWikiWeb at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki, so you shouldn't use that for anything related to Wikipedia. You are getting it returned since Wikipedias can use it as an interwiki link to the WikiWikiWeb, i.e. [[:wiki:WelcomeVisitors]] becomes http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WelcomeVisitors
So this means essentially 'wiki' in toolserver DB (like e.g. 'dewiki') does not refer to the same as 'wiki' in pywikipediabot and interwiki... (strange...)
But would also explain this 'inconsistency'... ;)
Thanks and Greetings
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