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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Hungarian Constitutional Court holds content providers
      responsible for unmoderated comments (Tisza Gergő)
   2. Commissioner on copyright reform and FoP
      (Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov)
   3. Re: Commissioner on copyright reform and FoP (Stevie Benton)
   4. Re: Commissioner on copyright reform and FoP
      (Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 22:32:57 -0700
From: Tisza Gergő <gtisza@gmail.com>
To: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia
        <advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] Hungarian Constitutional Court holds
        content providers responsible for unmoderated comments
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On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:45 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Tisza, for the update! So I guess this cements it then? Any chance
> anybody can change the rule in Hungary from now on?
>

IANAL, but as I understand it the lower-level courts based their decision
on certain laws, and the Constitutional Court was asked to say whether that
is unconstitutional due to freedom of speech, and they said it was not;
they did not say the responsibility of content providers follows directly
from the constitution. So if the laws in question (2001/CVIII e-commerce
act + civil code) are changed, that could affect the situation. (And of
course the constitution could be changed - the current ruling party has
supermajority and does that quite frequently.)

Given that the current government has so far always changed laws towards
less freedom of speech, not more, I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 12:48:18 +0200
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>
To: Advocacy Advisory Group for WMF LCA
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Subject: [Advocacy Advisors] Commissioner on copyright reform and FoP
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Hi all,

Neelie Kores, outgoing Commissioner for the Digital Agenda held a speech at
a conference in Amsterdam yesterday where she spoke about the need of the
planned copyright reform. [1] Among other things, she said:

*When you can't sing happy birthday, or post a picture of the Atomium, how
is that fair or reasonable, how is that something you can explain to
ordinary citizens?*

Yes, it is an outgoing Commissioner and DG CONNECT is the not the lead DG
for copyright, but this is the first time the European Commission said
anything about Freedom of Panorama. I know for a fact that it was the
members of the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU and their constant talk to
anyone about this issue how the Atomium example showed up on the radars of
both DG CONNECT and DG MARKT. In this line of thought I just wanted to say:
Thank you and great job, everyone!

Let's make sure we keep FoP on the table. We actually have the great
examples and stories to tell.

Cheers,
Dimi
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 11:56:21 +0100
From: Stevie Benton <stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk>
To: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia
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Subject: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] Commissioner on copyright reform and
        FoP
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This is excellent! Progress may take time, but it's beginning to feel like
we are getting somewhere.

I touch on the FoP issue in the upcoming Wikimedia UK annual review booklet
- https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Wikimedia_AR_2014_v4.pdf - in the
section about advocacy. I use Romaine's excellent image of the blacked out
European Parliament.

Let's keep pushing!

Stevie


On 3 July 2014 11:48, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Neelie Kores, outgoing Commissioner for the Digital Agenda held a speech
> at a conference in Amsterdam yesterday where she spoke about the need of
> the planned copyright reform. [1] Among other things, she said:
>
> *When you can't sing happy birthday, or post a picture of the Atomium, how
> is that fair or reasonable, how is that something you can explain to
> ordinary citizens?*
>
> Yes, it is an outgoing Commissioner and DG CONNECT is the not the lead DG
> for copyright, but this is the first time the European Commission said
> anything about Freedom of Panorama. I know for a fact that it was the
> members of the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU and their constant talk to
> anyone about this issue how the Atomium example showed up on the radars of
> both DG CONNECT and DG MARKT. In this line of thought I just wanted to say:
> Thank you and great job, everyone!
>
> Let's make sure we keep FoP on the table. We actually have the great
> examples and stories to tell.
>
> Cheers,
> Dimi
>
>
>
>
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--

Stevie Benton
Head of External Relations
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173
@StevieBenton

Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street,
London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a
global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the
Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 13:28:37 +0200
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>
To: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia
        <advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] Commissioner on copyright reform and
        FoP
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This is absolutely brilliant, Stevie! Romaine's image and the text you
added next to it. Plus the story we have to tell with the EP Secretariat
giving us permission to use it on Wikipedia only to figure out later that
they don't the rights and thus can't allow us to use an image of their own
building.

Could WMUK or another chapter print this image with the text on a banner?
180x76cm would be enought. We could use it at events around Brussels to
raise awareness in a very powerful way. I could even imagine an info-booth
inside the Parliament.


2014-07-03 12:56 GMT+02:00 Stevie Benton <stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk>:

> This is excellent! Progress may take time, but it's beginning to feel like
> we are getting somewhere.
>
> I touch on the FoP issue in the upcoming Wikimedia UK annual review
> booklet - https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/File:Wikimedia_AR_2014_v4.pdf -
> in the section about advocacy. I use Romaine's excellent image of the
> blacked out European Parliament.
>
> Let's keep pushing!
>
> Stevie
>
>
> On 3 July 2014 11:48, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Neelie Kores, outgoing Commissioner for the Digital Agenda held a speech
>> at a conference in Amsterdam yesterday where she spoke about the need of
>> the planned copyright reform. [1] Among other things, she said:
>>
>> *When you can't sing happy birthday, or post a picture of the Atomium,
>> how is that fair or reasonable, how is that something you can explain to
>> ordinary citizens?*
>>
>> Yes, it is an outgoing Commissioner and DG CONNECT is the not the lead DG
>> for copyright, but this is the first time the European Commission said
>> anything about Freedom of Panorama. I know for a fact that it was the
>> members of the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU and their constant talk to
>> anyone about this issue how the Atomium example showed up on the radars of
>> both DG CONNECT and DG MARKT. In this line of thought I just wanted to say:
>> Thank you and great job, everyone!
>>
>> Let's make sure we keep FoP on the table. We actually have the great
>> examples and stories to tell.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dimi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Advocacy_Advisors mailing list
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Stevie Benton
> Head of External Relations
> Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173
> @StevieBenton
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
>
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