My first thought is dont do it, its a can of worms that should remain closed..... this appears to me to be a troll tool rather than a tool of direct benefit the final image is invariably the one with minor blemishes, privacy, stitching, political and other issues addressed.

​Zooming should be addressed separately.....

Ok just realised your not referring to the first uploaded version of the image​ ​ when your saying "original image" but rather the largest versions of the current file, posting because others may have the same thought dont you just love the ambiguity of the english language....​

On 22 May 2014 07:40, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:

Sorry, forgot to include the direct link to the wiki discussion:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Multimedia/About_Media_Viewer#Proposal:_...

On May 21, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi folks,

We would appreciate your thoughts about a proposed "View Original File” feature for Media Viewer. (1)

*1. **Goals* In our surveys and discussions, many users have asked for either access to original files — or a zoom feature. These frequent requests cover a range of use cases:

• view the original file in its full resolution
• edit, crop and/or re-use images
• zoom in to see details

*2. **Feature* To address these requests, this feature would enable you to access the original file from Media Viewer, so you can examine it in your browser, and easily edit/re-use it. To view that original file, you would simply click on a new "View original file" button next to the image, as shown in this mockup (2). This would open the original full-size image in the same browser window, as happens now when you click images in file description pages on Commons. Your browser’s back button would return you to the Media Viewer.

This proposal would support the use cases above by providing the same core functionality editors are used to on file description pages. It would enable you to operate on files (convert/edit them), and also give you the ability to zoom on common file types in modern browsers.

*3. Alternatives* The multimedia team has investigated several other solutions to address these user requests. We developed a Simple Zoom Link (3), which you can test now on Commons: but we’re concerned that this implementation provides a poor user experience that’s more complex than it needs to be. We also considered a Basic Zoom feature (4) and a Full Zoom feature (5). But these implementations require more development time than we have right now. We’re eager to wrap up this version of Media Viewer this month, so we can move on to other important issues, such as upgrading UploadWizard or fixing bugs in our technical debt.

*4. What do you think?* We’d be grateful for your feedback about this proposal and some of the short-term options we’re considering, by answering these two questions:

*Q1. How important to you is it that we implement “View original file” or a similar feature at this time?* a) very important b) somewhat important c) not important

*Q2. Which of the following options do you think we should develop at this time? * a) View Original File: (~1 day of work) (1) b) Simple Zoom Link to original file in a tab: (already on Commons, ~1 day to improve) (3) c) Basic Zoom to original file in Media Viewer: (~1 week of work) (4) d) Do Nothing

You can respond to these questions by email, or here on our main discussion page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Multimedia/About_Media_Viewer

Thanks in advance for your guidance about this important issue. With your help, we hope to implement a practical solution that can address your most pressing needs in coming weeks.

Regards as ever,

Fabrice

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(1) View Original File (#630): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/630

(2) Design Mockup: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Media_Viewer_-_View_Original_File_-_...

(3) Simple Zoom Link (#588): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/588

(4) Basic Zoom feature (#504): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/504

(5) Full Zoom feature (#167): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/167

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but ultimately decided against it

The amount of traffic sent by MediaViewer to ZoomViewer would very likely take the tools servers down. Labs isn't made to host that kind of load. That's what's preventing us from linking to ZoomViewer.

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:25 AM, Daniel Schwen lists@schwen.de wrote:

So what happened to the idea of providing an overlay to "download" the original file? I also heard that you guys pondered the idea of linking the ZoomViewer [1] from the MV, but ultimately decided against it. From what I heard the UIX implications of navigating to a "different site" put you off. Any details on that decision?

[1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/index.php?f=Schmettau_Plan_de_la_Ville_d...

and

http://tools.wmflabs.org/zoomviewer/index.php?f=Schmettau_Plan_de_la_Ville_d...

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:

...

My first thought is dont do it, its a can of worms that should remain closed..... this appears to me to be a troll tool rather than a tool of direct benefit the final image is invariably the one with minor blemishes, privacy, stitching, political and other issues addressed.

​Zooming should be addressed separately.....

Ok just realised your not referring to the first uploaded version of the image​ ​ when your saying "original image" but rather the largest versions of the current file, posting because others may have the same thought dont you just love the ambiguity of the english language....​

On 22 May 2014 07:40, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:

...

Sorry, forgot to include the direct link to the wiki discussion:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Multimedia/About_Media_Viewer#Proposal:_...

On May 21, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Fabrice Florin fflorin@wikimedia.org wrote:

Hi folks,

We would appreciate your thoughts about a proposed "View Original File” feature for Media Viewer. (1)

*1. **Goals* In our surveys and discussions, many users have asked for either access to original files — or a zoom feature. These frequent requests cover a range of use cases:

• view the original file in its full resolution
• edit, crop and/or re-use images
• zoom in to see details

*2. **Feature* To address these requests, this feature would enable you to access the original file from Media Viewer, so you can examine it in your browser, and easily edit/re-use it. To view that original file, you would simply click on a new "View original file" button next to the image, as shown in this mockup (2). This would open the original full-size image in the same browser window, as happens now when you click images in file description pages on Commons. Your browser’s back button would return you to the Media Viewer.

This proposal would support the use cases above by providing the same core functionality editors are used to on file description pages. It would enable you to operate on files (convert/edit them), and also give you the ability to zoom on common file types in modern browsers.

*3. Alternatives* The multimedia team has investigated several other solutions to address these user requests. We developed a Simple Zoom Link (3), which you can test now on Commons: but we’re concerned that this implementation provides a poor user experience that’s more complex than it needs to be. We also considered a Basic Zoom feature (4) and a Full Zoom feature (5). But these implementations require more development time than we have right now. We’re eager to wrap up this version of Media Viewer this month, so we can move on to other important issues, such as upgrading UploadWizard or fixing bugs in our technical debt.

*4. What do you think?* We’d be grateful for your feedback about this proposal and some of the short-term options we’re considering, by answering these two questions:

*Q1. How important to you is it that we implement “View original file” or a similar feature at this time?* a) very important b) somewhat important c) not important

*Q2. Which of the following options do you think we should develop at this time? * a) View Original File: (~1 day of work) (1) b) Simple Zoom Link to original file in a tab: (already on Commons, ~1 day to improve) (3) c) Basic Zoom to original file in Media Viewer: (~1 week of work) (4) d) Do Nothing

You can respond to these questions by email, or here on our main discussion page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Multimedia/About_Media_Viewer

Thanks in advance for your guidance about this important issue. With your help, we hope to implement a practical solution that can address your most pressing needs in coming weeks.

Regards as ever,

Fabrice

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(1) View Original File (#630): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/630

(2) Design Mockup: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Media_Viewer_-_View_Original_File_-_...

(3) Simple Zoom Link (#588): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/588

(4) Basic Zoom feature (#504): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/504

(5) Full Zoom feature (#167): https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/167

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On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterzell@wikimedia.org wrote:

I would like to say, Daniel, as much as it's worth over email, that ZoomViewer is awesome. With both WMF and volunteer hat, thank you for this :)

Hear, hear! It is a pleasure to use, reminds me of the Gigapan tools. I'd love to see it in wider use.

While optimizing it makes sense medium term, could ZoomViewer be given its own machine for now so that it could be put into wider use?

Rupert Thurner writes:

View the original file plus older versions is, from a glam upload perspective, mandatory.

I agree. Not merely "one more link", something central and obvious. (Right now, that is the primary way to interact with image pages on Commons: The largest active area on the page is the image, which when clicked takes you to the original file.)

Regards, Sam