Forwarding to a relevant list -- I hope this is useful feedback to the Multimedia team itself

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----- Original message ----- From: John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF<->community disputes about deployments Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:37:19 +1000

On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Marc A. Pelletier marc@uberbox.org wrote:

On 08/24/2014 11:19 PM, Pine W wrote:

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I have heard people say "don't force an interface change on me that I don't think is an improvement."

I do not recall a recent interface change deployment that wasn't accompanied with, at the very least, some method of opting out. Did I miss one?

Did you try opting out of MediaViewer on the mobile version?

I think the response that I received confirmed it wasnt possible.

Per-user opt-out aside, the WMF was still forcing an interface change onto the community at large. With VE, the WMF needed the community to add TemplateData to all templates to help the newbies who were using VE; with MV, the WMF needed the community to 'tag' images which shouldnt be shown in the MV, and there is an ongoing need for the community to 'fix' the image page syntax in order for the information to display correctly to the end users in MV.

In both cases, significant amounts of volunteer time is required to avoid a bad user experience. WMF needs 'buy-in' for that, if it wants volunteers to be happy volunteers while doing mundane work to make the new software suck less.

-- John Vandenberg

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