Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
- What was the project about? - Who was the customer? Was it an open project? - What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from? - Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution? - Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate with some other services and applications? - Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology? - How did the project change the life of your customer? - Was the community motivated? How active they were? - Did you provide any kind of support and consulting? - Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you teach them? - Did you have any trainings? - Anything about money? $-) - What obstacles and difficulties have you faced? - How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project? - Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins, extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users? - What have you learnt from the project? - In general: was it worth it?
Cheers, Yury Katkov, WikiVote
Hi Yury,
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are asking for?
Regards,
Jack
From: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yury Katkov Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:48 AM To: mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Mediawiki-enterprise] Your success stories?
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki?
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
- What was the project about?
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from?
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate with some other services and applications?
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
- How did the project change the life of your customer?
- Was the community motivated? How active they were?
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you teach them?
- Did you have any trainings?
- Anything about money? $-)
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
- Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins, extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
- What have you learnt from the project?
- In general: was it worth it?
Cheers,
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Jack Eapen C jackec@suntecgroup.comwrote:
Hi Yury,****
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are asking for?
The short answer is that I want to know more about the MediaWiki companies for possible cooperation and collaboration. I'm preparing the write-up myself, obviously. 1) It's a good way to say hello - "you are what you do". There are some companies around us but not many of them have the portfolio. Maybe we're working in the similar area and can provide each other services, outsource some tasks to each other, re-use the code, discuss the business models. Why not to post these success stories on mw.org to advertise yourself and to make the market bigger and bigger? 2) The experience exchange is always good. Maybe the story about the say educational wiki for the Hungarian school will inspire us to make similar project for the Russian school? 3) the answers to some questions can be interesting per se: e.g. if you have the open repository of your extensions and skin, I will try them with pleasure. Maybe somebody will see that they can provide their solutions, that are more sophisticated.
**
Regards,****
Jack****
*From:* mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Yury Katkov *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:48 AM *To:* mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Mediawiki-enterprise] Your success stories?****
Hi guys! ****
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? ****
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them. ****
What was the project about? ****
Who was the customer? Was it an open project? ****
What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from? ****
Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution? ****
Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications? ****
Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology? ****
How did the project change the life of your customer? ****
Was the community motivated? How active they were? ****
Did you provide any kind of support and consulting? ****
Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them? ****
Did you have any trainings? ****
Anything about money? $-) ****
What obstacles and difficulties have you faced? ****
How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project? ****
Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins, extensions,
papers, articles, photos of the happy users? ****
What have you learnt from the project? ****
In general: was it worth it? ****
Cheers,****
Yury Katkov, WikiVote****
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This is a great idea, Yury, and it's already producing some collaboration! I would encourage everyone to share about what they do as well. Conversation is always good. You never know what can come out of it!
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Jack Eapen C jackec@suntecgroup.comwrote:
Hi Yury,****
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are asking for?
The short answer is that I want to know more about the MediaWiki companies for possible cooperation and collaboration. I'm preparing the write-up myself, obviously.
- It's a good way to say hello - "you are what you do". There are some
companies around us but not many of them have the portfolio. Maybe we're working in the similar area and can provide each other services, outsource some tasks to each other, re-use the code, discuss the business models. Why not to post these success stories on mw.org to advertise yourself and to make the market bigger and bigger? 2) The experience exchange is always good. Maybe the story about the say educational wiki for the Hungarian school will inspire us to make similar project for the Russian school? 3) the answers to some questions can be interesting per se: e.g. if you have the open repository of your extensions and skin, I will try them with pleasure. Maybe somebody will see that they can provide their solutions, that are more sophisticated.
**
Regards,****
Jack****
*From:* mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Yury Katkov *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:48 AM *To:* mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* [Mediawiki-enterprise] Your success stories?****
Hi guys! ****
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? ****
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them. ****
What was the project about? ****
Who was the customer? Was it an open project? ****
What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from? ****
Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution? ****
Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications? ****
Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology? ****
How did the project change the life of your customer? ****
Was the community motivated? How active they were? ****
Did you provide any kind of support and consulting? ****
Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them? ****
Did you have any trainings? ****
Anything about money? $-) ****
What obstacles and difficulties have you faced? ****
How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project? ****
Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users? ****
What have you learnt from the project? ****
In general: was it worth it? ****
Cheers,****
Yury Katkov, WikiVote****
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By the way Mariya, why have the lists of vendors and consultants vanished? Shouldn't the vendors page be re-created with only vendors? Discussion on the discussion page and sites using MW on that page?
Ad
Shouldn't the vendors page consist On 1 februari 2013, at 17:03, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva mariya.miteva@gmail.com wrote:
This is a great idea, Yury, and it's already producing some collaboration! I would encourage everyone to share about what they do as well. Conversation is always good. You never know what can come out of it!
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Jack Eapen C jackec@suntecgroup.com wrote: Hi Yury,
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are asking for?
The short answer is that I want to know more about the MediaWiki companies for possible cooperation and collaboration. I'm preparing the write-up myself, obviously.
- It's a good way to say hello - "you are what you do". There are some companies around us but not many of them have the portfolio. Maybe we're working in the similar area and can provide each other services, outsource some tasks to each other, re-use the code, discuss the business models. Why not to post these success stories on mw.org to advertise yourself and to make the market bigger and bigger?
- The experience exchange is always good. Maybe the story about the say educational wiki for the Hungarian school will inspire us to make similar project for the Russian school?
- the answers to some questions can be interesting per se: e.g. if you have the open repository of your extensions and skin, I will try them with pleasure. Maybe somebody will see that they can provide their solutions, that are more sophisticated.
Regards,
Jack
From: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yury Katkov Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:48 AM To: mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Mediawiki-enterprise] Your success stories?
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki?
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
What was the project about?
Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from?
Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate with some other services and applications?
Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
How did the project change the life of your customer?
Was the community motivated? How active they were?
Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you teach them?
Did you have any trainings?
Anything about money? $-)
What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins, extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
What have you learnt from the project?
In general: was it worth it?
Cheers,
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Hi Ad,
The vendors page is move to here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion/Contact...
Some people on the list were not comfortable with the term "vendor" as they don't use MW commercially, so third-party users seemed to be a better name. Let me know if you have suggestions on how to make the list more useful.
I cannot create a list that looks like advertisement and promotion of vendors as it was discussed and decided in the past that no companies or individual developers can be promoted or endorsed on mediawiki.org. You can see the discussion here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Jobs/Archive
Again, let me know if you have ideas on how the list would be more useful. I would gladly work on that.
Mariya
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Ad Strack van Schijndel < ad.strackvanschijndel@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way Mariya, why have the lists of vendors and consultants vanished? Shouldn't the vendors page be re-created with only vendors? Discussion on the discussion page and sites using MW on that page?
Ad
Shouldn't the vendors page consist On 1 februari 2013, at 17:03, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a great idea, Yury, and it's already producing some
collaboration! I would encourage everyone to share about what they do as well. Conversation is always good. You never know what can come out of it!
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Jack Eapen C jackec@suntecgroup.com
wrote:
Hi Yury,
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are
asking for?
The short answer is that I want to know more about the MediaWiki
companies for possible cooperation and collaboration. I'm preparing the write-up myself, obviously.
- It's a good way to say hello - "you are what you do". There are some
companies around us but not many of them have the portfolio. Maybe we're working in the similar area and can provide each other services, outsource some tasks to each other, re-use the code, discuss the business models. Why not to post these success stories on mw.org to advertise yourself and to make the market bigger and bigger?
- The experience exchange is always good. Maybe the story about the say
educational wiki for the Hungarian school will inspire us to make similar project for the Russian school?
- the answers to some questions can be interesting per se: e.g. if you
have the open repository of your extensions and skin, I will try them with pleasure. Maybe somebody will see that they can provide their solutions, that are more sophisticated.
Regards,
Jack
From: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yury Katkov
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:48 AM To: mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Mediawiki-enterprise] Your success stories?
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki?
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions.
Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
What was the project about?
Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from?
Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications?
Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
How did the project change the life of your customer?
Was the community motivated? How active they were?
Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
Did you have any trainings?
Anything about money? $-)
What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
What have you learnt from the project?
In general: was it worth it?
Cheers,
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Hi Mariya,
thanks for your effort gathering these information.
I think it would be an improvement to build the location column as follows:
<Country Code>, <City>
to provide better sorting.
/Alexander
Am 04.02.2013 17:03, schrieb Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva:
Hi Ad,
The vendors page is move to here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion/Contact...
Some people on the list were not comfortable with the term "vendor" as they don't use MW commercially, so third-party users seemed to be a better name. Let me know if you have suggestions on how to make the list more useful.
I cannot create a list that looks like advertisement and promotion of vendors as it was discussed and decided in the past that no companies or individual developers can be promoted or endorsed on mediawiki.org http://mediawiki.org. You can see the discussion here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Jobs/Archive Again, let me know if you have ideas on how the list would be more useful. I would gladly work on that.
Mariya
Hi,
I have fixed the tables to have City and Country columns. They should be easier to sort now. I hope that helps. Unfortunately I don't have location info for everybody.
Mariya
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:27 PM, planetenxin planetenxin@web.de wrote:
Hi Mariya,
thanks for your effort gathering these information.
I think it would be an improvement to build the location column as follows:
<Country Code>, <City>
to provide better sorting.
/Alexander
Am 04.02.2013 17:03, schrieb Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva:
Hi Ad,
The vendors page is move to here : http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Third-party_MediaWiki_users_** discussion/Contacted_by_**Mitevamhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion/Contacted_by_Mitevam
Some people on the list were not comfortable with the term "vendor" as they don't use MW commercially, so third-party users seemed to be a better name. Let me know if you have suggestions on how to make the list more useful.
I cannot create a list that looks like advertisement and promotion of vendors as it was discussed and decided in the past that no companies or individual developers can be promoted or endorsed on mediawiki.org http://mediawiki.org. You can see the discussion here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Talk:Jobs/Archivehttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Jobs/Archive Again, let me know if you have ideas on how the list would be more useful. I would gladly work on that.
Mariya
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Hi Mariya,
I think those lists should be moved to pages titled "Consulting" (or "Consultants"), "Hosting", etc. - clearly the large response to the original "MediaWiki vendor" page indicated a need for this kind of listing. Yes, the "Jobs" page was closed due to sensitivities, but I think a simple listing of consulting companies, or wiki farms, etc. is much less issue-prone than a listing of specific MediaWiki-related jobs. A disclaimer at the top, saying that such a listing does not constitute an endorsement, should be enough to cover it, I think.
-Yaron
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ad,
The vendors page is move to here :
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion/Contact...
Some people on the list were not comfortable with the term "vendor" as they don't use MW commercially, so third-party users seemed to be a better name. Let me know if you have suggestions on how to make the list more useful.
I cannot create a list that looks like advertisement and promotion of vendors as it was discussed and decided in the past that no companies or individual developers can be promoted or endorsed on mediawiki.org. You can see the discussion here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Jobs/Archive
Again, let me know if you have ideas on how the list would be more useful. I would gladly work on that.
Mariya
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Ad Strack van Schijndel < ad.strackvanschijndel@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way Mariya, why have the lists of vendors and consultants vanished? Shouldn't the vendors page be re-created with only vendors? Discussion on the discussion page and sites using MW on that page?
Ad
Shouldn't the vendors page consist On 1 februari 2013, at 17:03, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a great idea, Yury, and it's already producing some
collaboration! I would encourage everyone to share about what they do as well. Conversation is always good. You never know what can come out of it!
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Jack Eapen C jackec@suntecgroup.com
wrote:
Hi Yury,
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are
asking for?
The short answer is that I want to know more about the MediaWiki
companies for possible cooperation and collaboration. I'm preparing the write-up myself, obviously.
- It's a good way to say hello - "you are what you do". There are
some companies around us but not many of them have the portfolio. Maybe we're working in the similar area and can provide each other services, outsource some tasks to each other, re-use the code, discuss the business models. Why not to post these success stories on mw.org to advertise yourself and to make the market bigger and bigger?
- The experience exchange is always good. Maybe the story about the
say educational wiki for the Hungarian school will inspire us to make similar project for the Russian school?
- the answers to some questions can be interesting per se: e.g. if you
have the open repository of your extensions and skin, I will try them with pleasure. Maybe somebody will see that they can provide their solutions, that are more sophisticated.
Regards,
Jack
From: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yury Katkov
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:48 AM To: mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Mediawiki-enterprise] Your success stories?
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki?
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions.
Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
What was the project about?
Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from?
Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications?
Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
How did the project change the life of your customer?
Was the community motivated? How active they were?
Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
Did you have any trainings?
Anything about money? $-)
What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
What have you learnt from the project?
In general: was it worth it?
Cheers,
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Hi Yaron,
I will see what can be done about this. It seems reasonable to me to put the page in a more visible location even if all lists are kept on one page.
Mariya
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Yaron Koren yaron@wikiworks.com wrote:
Hi Mariya,
I think those lists should be moved to pages titled "Consulting" (or "Consultants"), "Hosting", etc. - clearly the large response to the original "MediaWiki vendor" page indicated a need for this kind of listing. Yes, the "Jobs" page was closed due to sensitivities, but I think a simple listing of consulting companies, or wiki farms, etc. is much less issue-prone than a listing of specific MediaWiki-related jobs. A disclaimer at the top, saying that such a listing does not constitute an endorsement, should be enough to cover it, I think.
-Yaron
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ad,
The vendors page is move to here :
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion/Contact...
Some people on the list were not comfortable with the term "vendor" as they don't use MW commercially, so third-party users seemed to be a better name. Let me know if you have suggestions on how to make the list more useful.
I cannot create a list that looks like advertisement and promotion of vendors as it was discussed and decided in the past that no companies or individual developers can be promoted or endorsed on mediawiki.org. You can see the discussion here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Jobs/Archive
Again, let me know if you have ideas on how the list would be more useful. I would gladly work on that.
Mariya
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Ad Strack van Schijndel < ad.strackvanschijndel@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way Mariya, why have the lists of vendors and consultants vanished? Shouldn't the vendors page be re-created with only vendors? Discussion on the discussion page and sites using MW on that page?
Ad
Shouldn't the vendors page consist On 1 februari 2013, at 17:03, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a great idea, Yury, and it's already producing some
collaboration! I would encourage everyone to share about what they do as well. Conversation is always good. You never know what can come out of it!
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Jack Eapen C jackec@suntecgroup.com
wrote:
Hi Yury,
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are
asking for?
The short answer is that I want to know more about the MediaWiki
companies for possible cooperation and collaboration. I'm preparing the write-up myself, obviously.
- It's a good way to say hello - "you are what you do". There are
some companies around us but not many of them have the portfolio. Maybe we're working in the similar area and can provide each other services, outsource some tasks to each other, re-use the code, discuss the business models. Why not to post these success stories on mw.org to advertise yourself and to make the market bigger and bigger?
- The experience exchange is always good. Maybe the story about the
say educational wiki for the Hungarian school will inspire us to make similar project for the Russian school?
- the answers to some questions can be interesting per se: e.g. if
you have the open repository of your extensions and skin, I will try them with pleasure. Maybe somebody will see that they can provide their solutions, that are more sophisticated.
Regards,
Jack
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Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki?
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting
questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
What was the project about?
Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from?
Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications?
Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
How did the project change the life of your customer?
Was the community motivated? How active they were?
Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
Did you have any trainings?
Anything about money? $-)
What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
What have you learnt from the project?
In general: was it worth it?
Cheers,
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Hi all,
I have been thinking that the stories we are sharing here( and hopefully more to come) should go to update the http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_testimonials, so I will probably work on that soon. Is that OK with people who shared ?
Also, recent discussions on mediawiki-l have made me optimistic to split the list into separate pages listing wiki farsm, hosting companies, developers, solutions, etc. and linking to those pages from the relevant mw.org pages. I will do some breakdown based on my own judgement, which will probably not be perfect, but you can all correct me afterwards.
Mariya
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Yaron,
I will see what can be done about this. It seems reasonable to me to put the page in a more visible location even if all lists are kept on one page.
Mariya
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Yaron Koren yaron@wikiworks.com wrote:
Hi Mariya,
I think those lists should be moved to pages titled "Consulting" (or "Consultants"), "Hosting", etc. - clearly the large response to the original "MediaWiki vendor" page indicated a need for this kind of listing. Yes, the "Jobs" page was closed due to sensitivities, but I think a simple listing of consulting companies, or wiki farms, etc. is much less issue-prone than a listing of specific MediaWiki-related jobs. A disclaimer at the top, saying that such a listing does not constitute an endorsement, should be enough to cover it, I think.
-Yaron
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Ad,
The vendors page is move to here :
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion/Contact...
Some people on the list were not comfortable with the term "vendor" as they don't use MW commercially, so third-party users seemed to be a better name. Let me know if you have suggestions on how to make the list more useful.
I cannot create a list that looks like advertisement and promotion of vendors as it was discussed and decided in the past that no companies or individual developers can be promoted or endorsed on mediawiki.org. You can see the discussion here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Jobs/Archive
Again, let me know if you have ideas on how the list would be more useful. I would gladly work on that.
Mariya
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Ad Strack van Schijndel < ad.strackvanschijndel@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way Mariya, why have the lists of vendors and consultants vanished? Shouldn't the vendors page be re-created with only vendors? Discussion on the discussion page and sites using MW on that page?
Ad
Shouldn't the vendors page consist On 1 februari 2013, at 17:03, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a great idea, Yury, and it's already producing some
collaboration! I would encourage everyone to share about what they do as well. Conversation is always good. You never know what can come out of it!
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Jack Eapen C jackec@suntecgroup.com
wrote:
Hi Yury,
It would be good to know, what is the purpose of the write up you are
asking for?
The short answer is that I want to know more about the MediaWiki
companies for possible cooperation and collaboration. I'm preparing the write-up myself, obviously.
- It's a good way to say hello - "you are what you do". There are
some companies around us but not many of them have the portfolio. Maybe we're working in the similar area and can provide each other services, outsource some tasks to each other, re-use the code, discuss the business models. Why not to post these success stories on mw.org to advertise yourself and to make the market bigger and bigger?
- The experience exchange is always good. Maybe the story about the
say educational wiki for the Hungarian school will inspire us to make similar project for the Russian school?
- the answers to some questions can be interesting per se: e.g. if
you have the open repository of your extensions and skin, I will try them with pleasure. Maybe somebody will see that they can provide their solutions, that are more sophisticated.
Regards,
Jack
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Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:48 AM To: mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Mediawiki-enterprise] Your success stories?
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki?
If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting
questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
What was the project about?
Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from?
Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you
integrate with some other services and applications?
Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
How did the project change the life of your customer?
Was the community motivated? How active they were?
Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
Did you have any trainings?
Anything about money? $-)
What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
What have you learnt from the project?
In general: was it worth it?
Cheers,
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Hi Yury,
this is a good starting point:
http://www.e20cases.org/anwendungssystem/mediawiki/
/Alexander Gesinn
Am 28.01.2013 21:17, schrieb Yury Katkov:
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
- What was the project about?
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from?
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications?
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
- How did the project change the life of your customer?
- Was the community motivated? How active they were?
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
- Did you have any trainings?
- Anything about money? $-)
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
- Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
- What have you learnt from the project?
- In general: was it worth it?
Cheers, Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Hi Alexander,
Does this come in English? I can't find it and my German is let's say "minimal" :)
Thank you.
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:51 AM, planetenxin planetenxin@web.de wrote:
Hi Yury,
this is a good starting point:
http://www.e20cases.org/**anwendungssystem/mediawiki/http://www.e20cases.org/anwendungssystem/mediawiki/
/Alexander Gesinn
Am 28.01.2013 21:17, schrieb Yury Katkov:
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
- What was the project about?
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from?
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications?
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
- How did the project change the life of your customer?
- Was the community motivated? How active they were?
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
- Did you have any trainings?
- Anything about money? $-)
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
- Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
- What have you learnt from the project?
- In general: was it worth it?
Cheers, Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Oh never mind, when you get to the actual posts they are in English.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva < mariya.miteva@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alexander,
Does this come in English? I can't find it and my German is let's say "minimal" :)
Thank you.
Mariya
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:51 AM, planetenxin planetenxin@web.de wrote:
Hi Yury,
this is a good starting point:
http://www.e20cases.org/**anwendungssystem/mediawiki/http://www.e20cases.org/anwendungssystem/mediawiki/
/Alexander Gesinn
Am 28.01.2013 21:17, schrieb Yury Katkov:
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
- What was the project about?
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came
from?
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications?
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
- How did the project change the life of your customer?
- Was the community motivated? How active they were?
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
- Did you have any trainings?
- Anything about money? $-)
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
- Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
- What have you learnt from the project?
- In general: was it worth it?
Cheers, Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Hi Mariya,
I'm afraid e20cases is available in German only.
/Alexander
Am 04.02.2013 17:06, schrieb Mariya Nedelcheva Miteva:
Hi Alexander,
Does this come in English? I can't find it and my German is let's say "minimal" :)
Thank you.
Mariya
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Hi Yury, this is a good starting point: http://www.e20cases.org/__anwendungssystem/mediawiki/ <http://www.e20cases.org/anwendungssystem/mediawiki/> /Alexander Gesinn Am 28.01.2013 21:17, schrieb Yury Katkov: Hi guys! Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them. - What was the project about? - Who was the customer? Was it an open project? - What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from? - Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution? - Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate with some other services and applications? - Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology? - How did the project change the life of your customer? - Was the community motivated? How active they were? - Did you provide any kind of support and consulting? - Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you teach them? - Did you have any trainings? - Anything about money? $-) - What obstacles and difficulties have you faced? - How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project? - Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins, extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users? - What have you learnt from the project? - In general: was it worth it? Cheers, Yury Katkov, WikiVote _________________________________________________ Mediawiki-enterprise mailing list Mediawiki-enterprise@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-__enterprise <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-enterprise> -- __________________________________________________ semantic::apps by gesinn.it <http://gesinn.it> Business Applications with Semantic Mediawiki. http://semantic-apps.com _________________________________________________ Mediawiki-enterprise mailing list Mediawiki-enterprise@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Mediawiki-enterprise@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-__enterprise <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-enterprise>
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Hi Yury,
I develop business applications with SMW, primarily for profit, but it gives a lot of fun as well. For me as well as for the customer and the people using it :-).
One of the success stories is a solution for a small company that delivers direct mail services. The wiki covers everything but the accounting stuff that is done by an online accounting system. The wiki supports CRM, proposals, calculation, invoicing, task mgt, projects and export to the online accounting system of customer and invoice data.
What makes the customer happy is primarily the flexibility and speed. Usually such companies have to use packaged solutions that typically provide (much) more functionality than needed and not some functionality that is desperately needed. So they always end up using only small part of the software in combination with Excel and Word. With a 'wikibase' (my name for such solutions) they get only what they need and everything they need. And if they think of improvements, they register them in the wikibase, we discuss them and in no time they are implemented. That is unheard of for such companies.
Why chosen MediaWiki and SMW? Is there an alternative :-).
I didn't program anything additional, just used a handful of extensions. Since I don't know php I have always searched, and found, ways to do it with the existing software. And no tricky methodologies :-)
The wikibase definitely changed the way customer and users work with their information systems. When something doesn't work the way they want, they think of improvements, knowing that they can be implemented. Instead of figuring out some - usually personal, not at all collaborative - way to solve things with Excel.
We provide also hosting of the wikibase, administration. And, what is very interesting as well, I am asked to have a look myself in their wikibase and come up with ideas to improve their way of working. So that is a moderator role, not only on the content but also on the way of working. This is an added value that companies are willing to pay for.
Training? I had hoped to sell some user-training, but that wasn't necessary. The wikibase is so easy to use that no training is needed :-( ;-).
Customers pay for development and a monthly fee that can be made up of several components such as hosting, SSL, small improvements.
Before entering this 'market' I tried some things that are important for the solution. These were printing of proposals and invoices, calculations based on price lists of products and services, and export to the accounting system. Printing works very well with the things that you can do in Print.css and with the options to include of exclude parts of a page in printing. The fact that you can choose to print on stationery (without the graphics) and print to pdf with the background graphics is a popular feature. Calculations and showing amounts on the screen in the right format are a bit of a disaster here in The Netherlands where the decimal . is a , and the thousand separator is a . :-(. But I'm not complaining :-). Exporting whatever information works easier than I have ever experienced in my own programming times (long ago). You gather the needed information in the desired structure in subobjects and export to csv.
I really want to share more than photos of happy users with the community. But of course all wikis are very private and I haven't developed things like skins or extensions. If anyone has questions, please let me know and I'll see what I can do.
The main thing I have learned from this project is that it is entirely possible to deliver a tailor made solution for small companies for a reasonable price. And that may be very interesting because there seems to be an big potential market for such solutions. So it was definitely worth it!
Ad
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On 28 januari 2013, at 21:17, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
- What was the project about?
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from?
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate with some other services and applications?
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
- How did the project change the life of your customer?
- Was the community motivated? How active they were?
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you teach them?
- Did you have any trainings?
- Anything about money? $-)
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
- Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins, extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
- What have you learnt from the project?
- In general: was it worth it?
Cheers, Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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On 01/31/2013 07:02 AM, Ad Strack van Schijndel wrote:
Calculations and showing amounts on the screen in the right format are a bit of a disaster here in The Netherlands where the decimal . is a , and the thousand separator is a . :-(.
This sounds like it should be a bug report. From my experience with number formatting (very limited) and looking at MediaWiki's code (briefly -- Language::formatNum), I think this should be handled correctly.
Is there a bug report for this?
I didn't think so. The difficulty is in the combination of the following: - #expr only accepts . as decimal separator and doesn't like thousands separators. So before you can do any calculation you have to transform the amounts that have been entered on forms in Dutch format. - #formatnum also only accepts English format as input, so if you want the plain 2500,5 that has been entered by the user to appear on the page as € 2.500,50 you have to transform twice. First transform to English format and then use #formatnum. - Input in #expr must be 'raw' so output from magic words, result formats must be processed before you can use it in the expression. - I have two kinds of wikis for which the above transformations have to be different: English wiki/user Dutch format on screen and English wiki Dutch user/format. - Calculations can be rather complex with combinations of entered amounts, queried amounts and results of other calculations.
Or am I missing some easier way?
On 31 januari 2013, at 16:16, "Mark A. Hershberger" mah@everybody.org wrote:
On 01/31/2013 07:02 AM, Ad Strack van Schijndel wrote:
Calculations and showing amounts on the screen in the right format are a bit of a disaster here in The Netherlands where the decimal . is a , and the thousand separator is a . :-(.
This sounds like it should be a bug report. From my experience with number formatting (very limited) and looking at MediaWiki's code (briefly -- Language::formatNum), I think this should be handled correctly.
Is there a bug report for this?
Language will always shift from day to day. It is the wind blowing through our mouths. -- http://hexm.de/np
On 01/31/2013 10:48 AM, Ad Strack van Schijndel wrote:
- #expr only accepts . as decimal separator and doesn't like thousands separators. So before you can do any calculation you have to transform the amounts that have been entered on forms in Dutch format.
It looks like there is a function, Language::parseFormattedNumber, that ParserFunctions could use to translate the input from the wiki's content language.
I asked the original author of the function (Niklas Laxström) about this and he said the function wasn't designed for user-input, is expecting something particular, and may produce unexpected output.
I think this is at least worth a bug report so I made one: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44559
- #formatnum also only accepts English format as input, so if you want the plain 2500,5 that has been entered by the user to appear on the page as € 2.500,50 you have to transform twice. First transform to English format and then use #formatnum.
The Formatnum extension looks like it is designed to translate English format numbers to other formats, but you seem to make a good case that it, too, could use Language::parseFormattedNumber.
- Calculations can be rather complex with combinations of entered amounts, queried amounts and results of other calculations.
It sounds like you have some great test cases for any code changes that may be made. Would you be interested in collaborating on this?
Mark.
I would definitely be interested in collaborating on this. What can I do? By the way, what happens if you have users with different user language? Would that be a problem? Should language be hidden in user preferences if the #expr is changed to take language into account?
On 31 januari 2013, at 19:39, "Mark A. Hershberger" mah@everybody.org wrote:
On 01/31/2013 10:48 AM, Ad Strack van Schijndel wrote:
- #expr only accepts . as decimal separator and doesn't like thousands separators. So before you can do any calculation you have to transform the amounts that have been entered on forms in Dutch format.
It looks like there is a function, Language::parseFormattedNumber, that ParserFunctions could use to translate the input from the wiki's content language.
I asked the original author of the function (Niklas Laxström) about this and he said the function wasn't designed for user-input, is expecting something particular, and may produce unexpected output.
I think this is at least worth a bug report so I made one: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44559
- #formatnum also only accepts English format as input, so if you want the plain 2500,5 that has been entered by the user to appear on the page as € 2.500,50 you have to transform twice. First transform to English format and then use #formatnum.
The Formatnum extension looks like it is designed to translate English format numbers to other formats, but you seem to make a good case that it, too, could use Language::parseFormattedNumber.
- Calculations can be rather complex with combinations of entered amounts, queried amounts and results of other calculations.
It sounds like you have some great test cases for any code changes that may be made. Would you be interested in collaborating on this?
Mark.
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On Fri 01 Feb 2013 04:13:33 AM EST, Ad Strack van Schijndel wrote:
I would definitely be interested in collaborating on this. What can I do?
For now, you can test the modifications I propose and share test cases with me.
Right now, test cases would be the most useful. For example, if you could provide uses of #expr or #formatnum that the user would normally have to switch to English Format, that would be a great start.
In my crazy dreams, I can see adding support to #expr and the like for supporting Devnagari number forms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari#Numerals).
But let's focus on your use case for now.
By the way, what happens if you have users with different user language?
Any translation is going to use the number system of the wiki's content language, not the user's interface language (see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Language_in_MediaWiki).
Language will always shift from day to day. It is the wind blowing through our mouths. -- http://hexm.de/np
On 01/28/2013 03:17 PM, Yury Katkov wrote:
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki?
I"m working with a 150 year old company that has been using MediaWiki for a while -- their installation was ~1.11, so we can safely say they've been using it for five years.
For the past few months, I've been working with them to adapt MediaWiki to their needs, implementing a location-sensitive landing page, changing logos of the page based on the category of a page, separating out DB schema changes to accommodate their internal release process where the DBA has to make certain changes (http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/38110).
To continue the work, I'll probably write up a Jenkins process (they use Jenkins for deploying applications) to move on-wiki changes (like MediaWiki:Common.js) from the development environment to staging to production.
I'm pretty excited about this work and am looking for other places to apply it.
Mark.
Hi Yury, hi folks,
first: thank you for your initiative. The crazy thing about MediaWiki is, that it is used in thousands of companies and organizations. But in the Wikimedia ecosystem the vendor sector and the zone of third-party users are for some reasons underdeveloped, especially in comparison with other open source projects. Say Joomla! or Drupal. So we (Hallo Welt!, Germany) would appreciate, if there are more MediaWiki companies and more MediaWiki developers, cooperating with each-other, because this helps everybody and it boosts the Wikimedia universe and the wiki ideas.
Anyway we (Hallo Welt) have a bundle of success stories, we can and we will share with you. A few are even published on our weblog (but unfortunately in German). In a first step I will answer the questions in general.
- What was the project about? Most of our projects are internal wikis. The classical use case is any sort of documentation and quality assurance (the Germans....). The demand for public wikis is increasing, but in the public sphere budgets are always very low. That means: Wikis for commerce and industry are very important for us.
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project? I don't know, what you understand as "open" project? Customers came from everywhere. But there are some difficult sectors: finance industry, education and the public sector. But maybe this is only our experience. Some others probably have their success just in this fields.
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from? Even if the company or organization need a wiki, they often don't know it. They are looking for document management system or other types of software. Mostly a single person (the maintainer), see that for their use case wiki is an alternative or the right way. And he or she (!) has to fight internally for this solution. In the end, the users, the employees are always happy with it.
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution? Most famous software, high acceptance, leading open source wiki software - in my opinion. The only alternative to Atlassians Confluence. Dokuwiki, FOSS, TWIKI, Confluence and others is great software. Good work. But MediaWiki is ahead for knowledge management and documentation solutions
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate with some other services and applications? The BlueSpice MediaWiki Enterprise Distribution. We'd love to open this project for developers, partners and reseller. And we start, if somebody is asking for it. We have some bridges to StatusNet microblogging software, Microsoft SharePoint. In two projects we have integrated MediaWiki and ELGG.
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology? Oh. We have made several standardizations. But this is a question for our technical head :)
- How did the project change the life of your customer? If a company or an organization has introduced MediaWiki you can hardly kill it. It will become part of your daily live.
- Was the community motivated? How active they were? You never can motivate. There is motivation or not. The only thing you can do is destroying motivation. And the most companies are very successful in doing that.
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting? Consulting, project management, development, migration, skinning support and maintenance...
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you teach them? Via Workshops and telephone conferences.
- Did you have any trainings? User and admin trainings
- Anything about money? $-) :) The wide range from 5.000 Euro up to 150.000 Euro. But the average project in Germany has a value of 10 to 30.000 Euro. Sounds a lot. For software project it isn't. We have 14 hungry employees... with families, children, parents ....
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced? 1. Years ago customers always compare MediaWiki with Confluence or they have an expensive SharePoint project. 2. Wiki never have the highest priority for CEOs. CRM or ERP solutions are always ahead. 3. No time for working with the wiki.
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project? First contact until project start: half year (average). Some came round after two years. Planning: on/two months Installation, Customizing: depends
- In general: was it worth it? Yes, always. But: We need much more technical standardization. Extension management! Testing and customizing extensions take time. Too much in my opinion.
Greetings! Richard Heigl
Hi,
back in 2008 I started my first enterprise wiki based on MediaWiki. Since 2011 I run my own company (gesinn.it) with a focus on semantic business applications (semantic::apps) based on SMW.
The business model is as follows:
We provide a LAMP-Stack SMW virtual appliance including everything you need for an enterprise wiki (storage, authentication, backup, e-mail, ntp, monitoring, MW, SMW, extensions, patches). This package is called semantic::core. It's an 'off-the-shelf product', highly customized for the deployment environment, thus no plug & play download.
On top of semantic::core, there are several business solutions, currently for quality management systems/business process management (semantic::bpm), project management (semantic::prj) and contact management (semantic::cm). Solutions for Balanced Scorecards, Requirements Engineering, Facility Management, Product Management and an IT-Configuration Management Database are in the pipeline. These apps define the ontology, categories, properties, forms and templates. Technically we define 'classes' e.g. for a process, a person or a project to be deployed on the target wiki.
To connect SMW with the rest of the world we use an ETL-Pipeline based on Pentaho Kettle (semantic::connect) talking to the MW API.
- What was the project about?
Intranet Business Solutions.
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
95% closed projects, SMBs, Global Players, Public Sector. All industries.
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from?
Different 'social' circles inside the companies.
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
MW is SMW's foundation and SMW is the best semantic wiki available. MW/SMW community is very active with a lot of really awesome people.
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate
with some other services and applications?
Yes, everything we do is about integration. And: We love data ;-)
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
Internally we have some tricky workflows to build, deploy and maintain our solutions.
- How did the project change the life of your customer?
Before: :-( After: :-)
- Was the community motivated? How active they were?
People need some time to warm up. As soon as they know how to contribute to their new wiki, they have fantastic ideas.
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
Yes. That's our main business.
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you
teach them?
On-Site and remote trainings.
- Did you have any trainings?
Yes, but these trainings are also customized to fit.
- Anything about money? $-)
Yes, we provide service and knowledge and in return, we get money ;-)
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
Tracking bugs and enhancements is difficult, because not all extensions provide good change logs/bugzilla bug reports. For us, it is essential to see, that extension bug #1234 has been fixed in extension release 1.3.4. In Bugzilla, there are no version numbers for extensions.
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
It took us ~2 years to develop semantic::apps.
- Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins,
extensions, papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
As soon as we have any technical issues with the code we try to fix it an give feedback/commit the changes. We publish results/findings on our website/twitter channel or in the lists. We try to use as much existing pieces as possible.
- What have you learnt from the project?
- In general: was it worth it?
SMW is an awesome project with awesome people!
Alexander Gesinn Managing Director & Partner gesinn.it
Hi everyone!
Now it's my turn to answers those questions... Our company is called WikiVote and our main business is law-crowdsourcing. This has nothing to do with MediaWiki except for the experience in voting/ranking algorithms and questions of participant motivation.
Now we have 4-5 people to work on (Semantic) MediaWiki projects and our goal is to apply semantic technologies in very unexpected, complex and interesting fields.
== Directions == We now have three main directions: 1) Knowledge bases and knowledge engineering. Here SMW helps a lot with supporting the consistency of the base. 2) Foresights and strategy planning. If you have a bunch of representatives from some industry and they want to predict/arrange how this field will be developing during the next 15 years, you need a tools and methodologies to create collaborative roadmaps. That's what we do. 3) Standardization. We're now experimenting with professional standards. 4) Education. The people in education typically don't have a lot of money, but we try to help interesting wiki projects by supporting them and providing our extensions.
== Customers == Enterprises (like Sber-bank), associations of professionals, potentially government.
== Community ==
The wiki-authors are mostly employees of the companies or company representatives if we work with a project where many companies are involved. They're typically motivated but sometimes are not technical-savvy: so in our skin we got rid of 60% of MediaWiki buttons to make the interface lighter :-D One of the problems with the community is that not everyone get the idea that in wiki you can really edit something, not just comment on it.
== Trainings, courses ==
We haven't yet provided any kinds of training. Typically we record a screencast about how to use the wiki-tool. However some of the projects become sophisticated and we'll probably going to teach our customers.
== Public results == As for now our project are not open to the world, but we try to release our extensions. Now we only have Extension:CollaborationDiagram property described and accessible :( but there's a lot of voting, semantic and skin extension that just don't have proper documentation to be released in open source. We want to be better in our relations with Open Source Community, really!
I'm trying to make screencasts about Semantic MediaWiki and semantic extensions, here is the one: http://www.ykatkov.name/2012/12/02/page-schemas-screencast/
----- Yury Katkov, WikiVote
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys!
Can anybody tell about the success story you've had with MediaWiki? If you're not a good writer, here is the list of interesting questions. Of course you can describe your story without looking at them.
- What was the project about?
- Who was the customer? Was it an open project?
- What the community looked like? Where those people on the wiki came from?
- Why you've chosen MediaWiki and not another solution?
- Did you program anything additional for MediaWiki, did you integrate with
some other services and applications?
- Or maybe you've elaborated some tricky methodology?
- How did the project change the life of your customer?
- Was the community motivated? How active they were?
- Did you provide any kind of support and consulting?
- Maybe you've provided admins, moderators, facilitators? How did you teach
them?
- Did you have any trainings?
- Anything about money? $-)
- What obstacles and difficulties have you faced?
- How much time did you spend on a different stages of your project?
- Do you have any open results? The project itself, the skins, extensions,
papers, articles, photos of the happy users?
- What have you learnt from the project?
- In general: was it worth it?
Cheers, Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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