Hi all,
I have heard from some of you that it would be very helpful to have some
stability in the exposed classes/methods of MediaWiki core for extension
development and to look at MediaWiki as a programming interface. I raised
this as an issue with the developer community and was told that this has
been a priority since version 1.18 and the following email by Daniel.
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/267106
I was wondering if you could provide similar examples of issues you have
faced where methods have been removed without warning and deprecation or
any other unexpected changes, which have affected your upgrades and the
extensions you use since then. It has only been two major releases since
then, so maybe the problem has actually been solved to a great extend but
people have not been able to feel it much yet. Are you still experiencing
such problems?
Mariya
Hi together,
for some questions and ideas we have already some solutions in our BlueSpice project.
I can offer a netviewer meeting to show you the most important extensions and we could discuss, how you can use it, if you want.
One idea is, to put BlueSpice free in the MW repository for further developments. And also possible is a webshop for extensions, themes, skins and modules, which everybody can use.
What do you think?
Best regards,
Richard
Dr. Richard Heigl
Social Web Strategien
Konzeption
Hallo Welt! - Medienwerkstatt GmbH
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:mediawiki-enterprise-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Mark A. Hershberger
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Februar 2013 18:37
An: MediaWiki for enterprises
Cc: Yaron Koren
Betreff: Re: [Mediawiki-enterprise] Comparisons to Confluence
On Fri 08 Feb 2013 11:53:44 AM EST, Yaron Koren wrote:
> Well, that depends on the map you're using. :)
Sure. And Sharepoint integration was in the "Here be dragons!" area of my map.
But it is something many enterprise users are interested in.
Many of use who have our roots in the free software world will say "You can fix it!" but the enterprise mindset that we're talking about here just wants to have a nice package that takes care of it already.
Which is why I asked "How much do these that two items really affect enterprise uptake?"
If a client of mine wanted SharePoint integration and was willing to pay to have it developed, they'd probably get it. But that leaves us with a chicken and egg problem.
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Hi everyone.
As per the conversation below, I am working on setting up a presentation of
BlueSpice by Richard Heigl from Hallo Welt!, which is a free open-source MW
enterprise distribution. Richard will present soem BlueSpice features and
how people can reuse them.
Please fill out the doodle below BY THE END OF THE WEEK if you are willing
to participate. I have tried to accomodate the widest range of time zones
in the given choices. I will do my best to post a video for those unable to
attend.
http://doodle.com/tvty9fymwk65fdf8
Also, if you are willing to present something you have developed internally
as well, please contact me and I can help with the organization. It would
be great to have as many of these presentation as possible.
Thank you.
Mariya
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From: Richard Heigl <heigl(a)hallowelt.biz>
Date: Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-enterprise] BlueSpice Demo?
To: MediaWiki for enterprises <mediawiki-enterprise(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hi Mariya,****
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let‘s Doodle J****
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Normally it takes about 45 to 60 minutes to give people a good overview.
And maybe half an hour for questions and discussions? Or as long as the
participants want to stay. I don’t mind. ****
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In the next three weeks there is plenty of time. Please feel free to
suggest any dates that are convenient for you J****
** **
Richard****
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Dr. Richard Heigl****
Social Web Strategien****
Konzeption****
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Hallo Welt! - Medienwerkstatt GmbH****
______________________________****
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Residenzstraße 2****
93047 Regensburg****
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Tel. +49 (0) 941 – 66080-193****
Fax. +49 (0) 941 – 66080-189****
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www.hallowelt.biz****
heigl(a)hallowelt.biz****
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Sitz: Regensburg****
Amtsgericht: Regensburg****
Handelsregister: HRB 10467****
E.USt.Nr.: DE 253050833****
Geschäftsführer:****
Anja Ebersbach, Markus Glaser, Dr. Richard Heigl, Radovan Kubani****
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*Von:* mediawiki-enterprise-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
mediawiki-enterprise-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *Im Auftrag von *Maria
Miteva
*Gesendet:* Freitag, 8. Februar 2013 19:11
*An:* MediaWiki for enterprises
*Betreff:* Re: [Mediawiki-enterprise] BlueSpice Demo?****
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Hi Richard, ****
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This is very nice of you to offer and I think it's a great idea. If you
have an idea of how long such a meeting would take and about when would be
a good time I can do a Google Doodle to find a good time and see how much
interest there is. Let me know if I should help with that. ****
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Mariya****
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Yury Katkov <katkov.juriy(a)gmail.com> wrote:*
***
I'd love to know more about BlueSpice. Markus Glasser have described
the basic on SMWCon Fall 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDZGH6LMbBY
But still I really interested to see more and will try to go to meeting.
-----
Yury Katkov, WikiVote****
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Richard Heigl <heigl(a)hallowelt.biz> wrote:
> Hi together,
>
> for some questions and ideas we have already some solutions in our
BlueSpice project.
>
> I can offer a netviewer meeting to show you the most important extensions
and we could discuss, how you can use it, if you want.
>
> One idea is, to put BlueSpice free in the MW repository for further
developments. And also possible is a webshop for extensions, themes, skins
and modules, which everybody can use.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
>
>
> Dr. Richard Heigl
> Social Web Strategien
> Konzeption
>
> Hallo Welt! - Medienwerkstatt GmbH
> ______________________________
>
> Residenzstraße 2
> 93047 Regensburg
>
> Tel. +49 (0) 941 – 66080-193
> Fax. +49 (0) 941 – 66080-189
>
> www.hallowelt.biz
> heigl(a)hallowelt.biz
>
> Sitz: Regensburg
> Amtsgericht: Regensburg
> Handelsregister: HRB 10467
> E.USt.Nr.: DE 253050833
> Geschäftsführer:
> Anja Ebersbach, Markus Glaser, Dr. Richard Heigl, Radovan Kubani
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: mediawiki-enterprise-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
mediawiki-enterprise-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] Im Auftrag von Mark A.
Hershberger
> Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Februar 2013 18:37
> An: MediaWiki for enterprises
> Cc: Yaron Koren
> Betreff: Re: [Mediawiki-enterprise] Comparisons to Confluence
>
> On Fri 08 Feb 2013 11:53:44 AM EST, Yaron Koren wrote:
>> Well, that depends on the map you're using. :)
>
> Sure. And Sharepoint integration was in the "Here be dragons!" area of
my map.
>
> But it is something many enterprise users are interested in.
>
> Many of use who have our roots in the free software world will say "You
can fix it!" but the enterprise mindset that we're talking about here just
wants to have a nice package that takes care of it already.
>
> Which is why I asked "How much do these that two items really affect
enterprise uptake?"
>
> If a client of mine wanted SharePoint integration and was willing to pay
to have it developed, they'd probably get it. But that leaves us with a
chicken and egg problem.
>
> --
> http://hexmode.com/
>
> There is no path to peace. Peace is the path.
> -- Mahatma Gandhi, "Non-Violence in Peace and War"
>
>
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Karsten - excellent suggestions.
I'd like to add my voice to this
topic. I suggest that Mediawiki.org needs to install SMW so that
extensions' installations can be programmatic. I am working on upgrading
SMW+ extensions to MW LTS, one of which is the Wiki Administration Tool.
Redesigning that extension to be more palatable to the SMW community has
convinced me that mw.org needs to have publicly accessible data about
each extension, most importantly dependencies.
- john
On 02/08/2013 02:31 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
> I've started an RFC about making password requirements stronger, in a
> workable way that is configurable by group.
>
> See
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Password_requirements .
>
> Matt Flaschen
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Thanks, Matthew. This strikes me as something the enterprise community
might also want to chime in on, so I'm cc'ing the mediawiki-enterprise
list. Please discuss onwiki. Thanks.
--
Sumana Harihareswara
Engineering Community Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
A discussion on wikitech-l you might find interesting.
Mariya
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From: Jeroen De Dauw <jeroendedauw(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Comparisons to Confluence (was Minimalist
MediaWiki? (was Re: Merge Vector extension into core))
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Hey,
For corporate adoption, the main thing MediaWiki needs is not some
> particular feature. It needs to be supported. It needs an organisation
> with people who will care if corporate users are screwed over by a
> change. It needs community management, so that the features needed by
> corporate users will be discoverable and well-maintained, rather than
> developed privately, over and over. And it needs the smallest nudge of
> promotion, on top of what Wikipedia fans are doing for it. Say, a
> nice-looking website aimed at this user base.
>
> This is not something WMF is interested in doing, that has been made
> extremely clear in the last year.
>
Agree, I also think this is the main issue, and know other people active
with MW outside WMF think the same.
Cheers
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Hello everyone,
I want to bring up the main issues we have identified with third-party
users so far to the MW community and the first one is extensions
management. I heard from many of you that you would like to see
improvement in extensions management on mw.org.
Here is a summary of what I've heard so far on email and
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Third-party_MediaWiki_users_discussion :
The most important thing is to be able to immediately see the compatibility
of a given extension with MW versions. If compatibility testing can be
automated, that would be best. Additionally, people want to have some
rating of extensions based on the quality of code, vulnerability,
usefulness,etc. Statistics like number of downloads can be used as a market
of quality as well. More visibility should be given to good extensions.
Extensions can be separated in categories based on what they do so they can
be found easily. Some suggest the use of SMW on MW.org to organize
extensions even though the use of SMW on WMF websites has been discussed
and decided as a wontfix (
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8390#c24) . Also, Yury
Katkov suggested Article
Feedback<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_Feedback> can
be used for rating or WikiVote could provide some of their voting systems.
Before I bring the issue up to the community, I would love to hear
everybody's feedback. Here are some questions to consider :
1. Is extensions management a significant issue for you? Would you like
to see efforts focused on it?
2. What should extensions be rated on?
3. Who should be rating extensions?
4. How could it be implemented reusing existing resources maximally?
5. What else would be useful to have in extensions management?
6. Are there any good examples on how it's done on other platforms you
would like to point out?
7. Let me know if you would be willing to/available to help with
specification, implementation, testing, or anything else.
Also, add any other comments/information. I want to have as much details as
possible on what people would like to see happen.
I will be sending similar emails about other "popular" issues soon.
Mariya
Hi all,
Please have in mind the list of MediaWiki Professionals on
LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/skills/skill/MediaWiki>,
Add MediaWiki as a skill if you are a developer or consultant or have the
list in mind if you are looking to hire.
A link to the list is not posted on http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Jobs,
which has some other similar resources.
Mariya