Hey Purodha,
On 21 May 2016 at 05:13, Purodha Blissenbach purodha@blissenbach.org wrote:
On the long run, I think, these portals and their texts should be translatable. Browser settings determining the target language. Looking forward to have them on translatewiki.net !
I agree that localising these strings would be helpful and in-line with our practices. That's definitely something that we're interested in doing, and we're going to be doing an investigation on that soon. We're hoping it'll be fairly straightforward to get this done... but if it's not, we may need to deprioritise the work. We'll see.
Thanks!
Dan
I'm having some difficulty following the sequence of events here. I'm troubled by what I'm reading.
Perhaps someone can enlighten me: did WMF consult the community about its wish to change the content on this public-facing content portal? (A portal survey does not carry the same weight as a community RfC). If so, when, where and how was there a public discussion with proportionate notice and scope, and who closed the public discussions?
A potential issue that I see here is that the page is fundamentally a community navigation page rather than technical infrastructure, and as such edits done to the content of the page (which are different from the technical functioning of the search features) should be done by the community. WMF can, of course, propose changes for the community to make, and surveys can be valuable inputs into the community decision-making process.
Pine
Pine,
On 24 May 2016 at 17:01, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps someone can enlighten me: did WMF consult the community about its wish to change the content on this public-facing content portal? (A portal survey does not carry the same weight as a community RfC). If so, when, where and how was there a public discussion with proportionate notice and scope, and who closed the public discussions?
No RfC was conducted. These changes were made on the basis of an A/B test which showed that they likely improved the ability of users to navigate to sister projects. By performing tests, we can speak with confidence about what effect our changes have. A report was published https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Descriptive_Text_for_Sister_Project_Links_Wikipedia_Portal_AB_Test.pdf on the test; I'd encourage you to read it and give us any comments you have.
The Discovery Department has no plans to perform consultations for every change we make. We use testing and data to guide our decisions. With large changes, we may perform consultations to also guide us, but this was not a large change at all. As the report linked above notes, very few users interact with these UI elements on this page; of the 22,500 recorded sessions in the test, only 45 clicks on the sister project links were registered. This was enough for the statistical test, but it shows you the magnitude of the engagement here.
The portal repository continues to have volunteer contributions to it, although there are fewer now as the team handles many things such as updating the statistics. If volunteers are daunted by the prospect of using git and gerrit, Discovery would be happy to offer training so that they can continue to contribute.
Dan
Hi Dan,
I'm just now looping back to this and apologize for the delay, and it'll probably be another several days before I check this thread again.
My current thinking is that the portal is more of a content page than technical infrastructure. For that reason, the decision-makers about the content of that page should be the community, not WMF. Perhaps there has been a community discussion which specifies the scope of decisions that the community is willing to delegate to WMF, but I'm unaware of that. I think that such a discussion should happen before WMF effectively takes control of the page content. Otherwise, to me this looks like scope creep by WMF over a content page.
It sounds like WMF is collaborating with community members regarding page content, which is good. It seems to me that there should also be some specifications about which decisions get made by WMF and which get made by the community. Otherwise, this ambiguity is just asking for trouble.
Thanks,
Pine
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine,
On 24 May 2016 at 17:01, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Perhaps someone can enlighten me: did WMF consult the community about its wish to change the content on this public-facing content portal? (A portal survey does not carry the same weight as a community RfC). If so, when, where and how was there a public discussion with proportionate notice and scope, and who closed the public discussions?
No RfC was conducted. These changes were made on the basis of an A/B test which showed that they likely improved the ability of users to navigate to sister projects. By performing tests, we can speak with confidence about what effect our changes have. A report was published https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Descriptive_Text_for_Sister_Project_Links_Wikipedia_Portal_AB_Test.pdf on the test; I'd encourage you to read it and give us any comments you have.
The Discovery Department has no plans to perform consultations for every change we make. We use testing and data to guide our decisions. With large changes, we may perform consultations to also guide us, but this was not a large change at all. As the report linked above notes, very few users interact with these UI elements on this page; of the 22,500 recorded sessions in the test, only 45 clicks on the sister project links were registered. This was enough for the statistical test, but it shows you the magnitude of the engagement here.
The portal repository continues to have volunteer contributions to it, although there are fewer now as the team handles many things such as updating the statistics. If volunteers are daunted by the prospect of using git and gerrit, Discovery would be happy to offer training so that they can continue to contribute.
Dan
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