After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
The submission would be under either the "governance" or "technology" tracks. I think it would work best as a panel discussion that is either "hybrid" (some folks in Singapore, some on-line) or pre-recorded video.
I think this is something that folks in the community might be interested in learning a bit about. I also think it would be interesting for those of us who have participated in this process to take some time to reflect on how we have worked together in the past and how we might like to see those those processes and practices evolve in the future. To make this talk work well there should be active voices from both the paid and volunteer staff involved. Towards that end, I'm mailing the cloud-admin@ list + 4 of you that I know have been active in the past in helping with Toolforge and/or Cloud VPS admin and features work to gauge your interest in participating. Thoughts?
Bryan
I will most likely not make it to Singapore, but I really like this presentation idea and am happy to wake up in the night to sit on a panel if you lack for staff participants.
-A
On 3/27/23 4:39 PM, Bryan Davis wrote:
After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
The submission would be under either the "governance" or "technology" tracks. I think it would work best as a panel discussion that is either "hybrid" (some folks in Singapore, some on-line) or pre-recorded video.
I think this is something that folks in the community might be interested in learning a bit about. I also think it would be interesting for those of us who have participated in this process to take some time to reflect on how we have worked together in the past and how we might like to see those those processes and practices evolve in the future. To make this talk work well there should be active voices from both the paid and volunteer staff involved. Towards that end, I'm mailing the cloud-admin@ list + 4 of you that I know have been active in the past in helping with Toolforge and/or Cloud VPS admin and features work to gauge your interest in participating. Thoughts?
Bryan
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 3:39 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
I have submitted https://pretalx.com/wm2023/talk/review/PALYXXEX9H8UUL7DTD93HJESAUTLYMU9. If accepted, I hope some of you will be able to participate in the panel. I requested a hybrid presentation slot so that we would not all need to be present in Singapore. There is also a potential for us to fallback to a pre-recorded video that folks could watch if we are not accepted for a live session.
Bryan
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 2:39 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
The submission would be under either the "governance" or "technology" tracks. I think it would work best as a panel discussion that is either "hybrid" (some folks in Singapore, some on-line) or pre-recorded video.
I think this is something that folks in the community might be interested in learning a bit about. I also think it would be interesting for those of us who have participated in this process to take some time to reflect on how we have worked together in the past and how we might like to see those those processes and practices evolve in the future. To make this talk work well there should be active voices from both the paid and volunteer staff involved. Towards that end, I'm mailing the cloud-admin@ list + 4 of you that I know have been active in the past in helping with Toolforge and/or Cloud VPS admin and features work to gauge your interest in participating. Thoughts?
[+ CC Petrb]
Oops forgot to reply. (I was like 'this is a long text I'll read it later' and then I forgot).
I like having this talk. I think one of the things that potential contributors may have is feeling intimidated by the complexity and that feeling of "this is too much", or that "this is something for the Foundation".
Personally, I don't remember why I started being more and more interested in the infrastructure, it may have been just curiosity. Like, when I jsub a bot task, which host executes it and how the program gets invoked. Or it might have been debugging needs, like, figuring out why my bot seems to be hanging. With the grid nodes back then, I think we could ssh into any grid exec node and observe program behavior (I don't know if this still holds true), which I think I found interesting to observe how different components interacted. I think I also talked a lot to Yuvi back in 2015 or so? I think I was developing video2commons (sorry I had to abandon this tool due to COI), and IIRC Yuvi suggested the architecture of having flask and celery, and I think during this I found web development to be pretty interesting (though I was and still am more interested in infrastructure). It was also around this time Yuvi first showed PAWS and I was kinda like 'wow how is this even possible' and I had no idea what Docker is or does. Then around the time Yuvi was leaving I was looking at a requested feature of exporting to excel sheets, so I talked to Yuvi and was like 'I kinda wish I can fix this myself' and Yuvi was like sure. So that happened. Luckily Quarry was also using flask so I got familiar with quarry architecture pretty quickly. I think I later tried to get Framawiki on board with maintaining Quarry too but I think I kinda got bored in some ways later.
I think maybe a takeaway would be that even though I was co-maintaining some cloud VPS projects like Toolforge & Quarry, it didn't mean I was doing the entire project. There are plenty of things that I didn't understand, such as the Kubernetes cluster, and I don't think I have the time and energy to like, figure everything out and maintain everything all at once (although Taavi seems to be doing this - how they are doing it is beyond me).
I don't think I can make it to Singapore but I'm interested in hearing the talk. Depending on the time & sleep schedule maybe I could be there for the hybrid slot. Really looking forward to it.
Also CC'ed Petr, who was very active maintaining Toolforge during the 2013-2014 era.
YiFei Zhu
Bryan
Bryan Davis Technical Engagement Wikimedia Foundation Principal Software Engineer Boise, ID USA [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] irc: bd808
I have somehow come across this email and i wanted to say, thanks for writing it YiFei. Am glad i could be of help :)
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 6:00 AM YiFei Zhu zhuyifei1999@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 2:39 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
The submission would be under either the "governance" or "technology" tracks. I think it would work best as a panel discussion that is either "hybrid" (some folks in Singapore, some on-line) or pre-recorded video.
I think this is something that folks in the community might be interested in learning a bit about. I also think it would be interesting for those of us who have participated in this process to take some time to reflect on how we have worked together in the past and how we might like to see those those processes and practices evolve in the future. To make this talk work well there should be active voices from both the paid and volunteer staff involved. Towards that end, I'm mailing the cloud-admin@ list + 4 of you that I know have been active in the past in helping with Toolforge and/or Cloud VPS admin and features work to gauge your interest in participating. Thoughts?
[+ CC Petrb]
Oops forgot to reply. (I was like 'this is a long text I'll read it later' and then I forgot).
I like having this talk. I think one of the things that potential contributors may have is feeling intimidated by the complexity and that feeling of "this is too much", or that "this is something for the Foundation".
Personally, I don't remember why I started being more and more interested in the infrastructure, it may have been just curiosity. Like, when I jsub a bot task, which host executes it and how the program gets invoked. Or it might have been debugging needs, like, figuring out why my bot seems to be hanging. With the grid nodes back then, I think we could ssh into any grid exec node and observe program behavior (I don't know if this still holds true), which I think I found interesting to observe how different components interacted. I think I also talked a lot to Yuvi back in 2015 or so? I think I was developing video2commons (sorry I had to abandon this tool due to COI), and IIRC Yuvi suggested the architecture of having flask and celery, and I think during this I found web development to be pretty interesting (though I was and still am more interested in infrastructure). It was also around this time Yuvi first showed PAWS and I was kinda like 'wow how is this even possible' and I had no idea what Docker is or does. Then around the time Yuvi was leaving I was looking at a requested feature of exporting to excel sheets, so I talked to Yuvi and was like 'I kinda wish I can fix this myself' and Yuvi was like sure. So that happened. Luckily Quarry was also using flask so I got familiar with quarry architecture pretty quickly. I think I later tried to get Framawiki on board with maintaining Quarry too but I think I kinda got bored in some ways later.
I think maybe a takeaway would be that even though I was co-maintaining some cloud VPS projects like Toolforge & Quarry, it didn't mean I was doing the entire project. There are plenty of things that I didn't understand, such as the Kubernetes cluster, and I don't think I have the time and energy to like, figure everything out and maintain everything all at once (although Taavi seems to be doing this
- how they are doing it is beyond me).
I don't think I can make it to Singapore but I'm interested in hearing the talk. Depending on the time & sleep schedule maybe I could be there for the hybrid slot. Really looking forward to it.
Also CC'ed Petr, who was very active maintaining Toolforge during the 2013-2014 era.
YiFei Zhu
Bryan
Bryan Davis Technical Engagement Wikimedia Foundation Principal Software Engineer Boise, ID USA [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] irc: bd808
Cloud-admin mailing list -- cloud-admin@lists.wikimedia.org List information: https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/cloud-admin.lists.wikimedia.org/
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 5:41 AM YiFei Zhu zhuyifei1999@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 2:39 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
The submission would be under either the "governance" or "technology" tracks. I think it would work best as a panel discussion that is either "hybrid" (some folks in Singapore, some on-line) or pre-recorded video.
I think this is something that folks in the community might be interested in learning a bit about. I also think it would be interesting for those of us who have participated in this process to take some time to reflect on how we have worked together in the past and how we might like to see those those processes and practices evolve in the future. To make this talk work well there should be active voices from both the paid and volunteer staff involved. Towards that end, I'm mailing the cloud-admin@ list + 4 of you that I know have been active in the past in helping with Toolforge and/or Cloud VPS admin and features work to gauge your interest in participating. Thoughts?
[+ CC Petrb]
Oops forgot to reply. (I was like 'this is a long text I'll read it later' and then I forgot).
I like having this talk. I think one of the things that potential contributors may have is feeling intimidated by the complexity and that feeling of "this is too much", or that "this is something for the Foundation".
[...snip...]
I don't think I can make it to Singapore but I'm interested in hearing the talk. Depending on the time & sleep schedule maybe I could be there for the hybrid slot. Really looking forward to it.
Also CC'ed Petr, who was very active maintaining Toolforge during the 2013-2014 era.
Thanks for adding Petr to the thread YiFei.
After waiting for what felt like forever we have been notified by the Wikimania planning committee that this talk has been accepted for the conference. Now we need to figure out if there are actually enough of us who are interested in participating that we can actually make an interesting and informative presentation.
The abstract that I submitted is available at https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Submissions/Co-creating_platforms_and_products:_how_the_Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team_works_with_the_larger_Wikimedia_technical_community_to_build_and_maintain_Cloud_VPS,_Toolforge,_Quarry,_PAWS,_and_more_-_KNXDBK. As I wrote in the proposal, I envision this as a panel discussion amoung a number of us that have been a part of designing, implementing, and operating the Cloud Services projects at any time between 2011 and now.
With up to 60 minutes to fill I think it would be helpful if there were at least 4-5 of us interested in participating. We can present some amount of "filler" material in the form of a short history of Labs/Cloud VPS and Tool Labs/Toolforge projects, but the more interesting content in my opinion would be personal stories such as what YiFei has shared in this email thread about how he remembers becoming involved and what his own feelings are about that involvement.
The conference is offering "hybrid" sessions where some (or all) of us can join the presentation remotely, so you do not need to travel to Singapore to be a part of this session. I myself will be participating remotely.
The Wikimania organizers are waiting on me to respond that we will be presenting at the conference. If at least three others receiving this email respond that they are willing to be part of the panel discussion by Friday 2023-06-23 22:00 UTC I will accept our place in the schedule. Your participation would be at minimum agreeing to join the presenter video meeting for the session and being ready to respond to questions like "How did you first become involved in the Cloud Services project?" and "What's one practice from your time helping Cloud Services that you would like to see other Foundation sponsored projects adopt?". Folks who want to be more actively involved in working on the questions or preparing other content for the presentation are very much welcome too, but I can commit to being responsible for those parts myself to get us started.
Bryan
On 6/20/23 23:07, Bryan Davis wrote:
The Wikimania organizers are waiting on me to respond that we will be presenting at the conference. If at least three others receiving this email respond that they are willing to be part of the panel discussion by Friday 2023-06-23 22:00 UTC I will accept our place in the schedule. Your participation would be at minimum agreeing to join the presenter video meeting for the session and being ready to respond to questions like "How did you first become involved in the Cloud Services project?" and "What's one practice from your time helping Cloud Services that you would like to see other Foundation sponsored projects adopt?". Folks who want to be more actively involved in working on the questions or preparing other content for the presentation are very much welcome too, but I can commit to being responsible for those parts myself to get us started.
I'm happy to participate, and I'll be on-site.
Taavi
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 1:08 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 5:41 AM YiFei Zhu zhuyifei1999@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 2:39 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
The submission would be under either the "governance" or "technology" tracks. I think it would work best as a panel discussion that is either "hybrid" (some folks in Singapore, some on-line) or pre-recorded video.
I think this is something that folks in the community might be interested in learning a bit about. I also think it would be interesting for those of us who have participated in this process to take some time to reflect on how we have worked together in the past and how we might like to see those those processes and practices evolve in the future. To make this talk work well there should be active voices from both the paid and volunteer staff involved. Towards that end, I'm mailing the cloud-admin@ list + 4 of you that I know have been active in the past in helping with Toolforge and/or Cloud VPS admin and features work to gauge your interest in participating. Thoughts?
[+ CC Petrb]
Oops forgot to reply. (I was like 'this is a long text I'll read it later' and then I forgot).
I like having this talk. I think one of the things that potential contributors may have is feeling intimidated by the complexity and that feeling of "this is too much", or that "this is something for the Foundation".
[...snip...]
I don't think I can make it to Singapore but I'm interested in hearing the talk. Depending on the time & sleep schedule maybe I could be there for the hybrid slot. Really looking forward to it.
Also CC'ed Petr, who was very active maintaining Toolforge during the 2013-2014 era.
Thanks for adding Petr to the thread YiFei.
After waiting for what felt like forever we have been notified by the Wikimania planning committee that this talk has been accepted for the conference. Now we need to figure out if there are actually enough of us who are interested in participating that we can actually make an interesting and informative presentation.
The abstract that I submitted is available at https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Submissions/Co-creating_platforms_and_products:_how_the_Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team_works_with_the_larger_Wikimedia_technical_community_to_build_and_maintain_Cloud_VPS,_Toolforge,_Quarry,_PAWS,_and_more_-_KNXDBK. As I wrote in the proposal, I envision this as a panel discussion amoung a number of us that have been a part of designing, implementing, and operating the Cloud Services projects at any time between 2011 and now.
With up to 60 minutes to fill I think it would be helpful if there were at least 4-5 of us interested in participating. We can present some amount of "filler" material in the form of a short history of Labs/Cloud VPS and Tool Labs/Toolforge projects, but the more interesting content in my opinion would be personal stories such as what YiFei has shared in this email thread about how he remembers becoming involved and what his own feelings are about that involvement.
The conference is offering "hybrid" sessions where some (or all) of us can join the presentation remotely, so you do not need to travel to Singapore to be a part of this session. I myself will be participating remotely.
The Wikimania organizers are waiting on me to respond that we will be presenting at the conference. If at least three others receiving this email respond that they are willing to be part of the panel discussion by Friday 2023-06-23 22:00 UTC I will accept our place in the schedule. Your participation would be at minimum agreeing to join the presenter video meeting for the session and being ready to respond to questions like "How did you first become involved in the Cloud Services project?" and "What's one practice from your time helping Cloud Services that you would like to see other Foundation sponsored projects adopt?". Folks who want to be more actively involved in working on the questions or preparing other content for the presentation are very much welcome too, but I can commit to being responsible for those parts myself to get us started.
When exactly is the panel? I can try my best to stay awake for it if it's in a bad time, since time zones.
Also I'll join remotely. Is it over zoom / google meet / something?
YiFei Zhu
Bryan
Bryan Davis Technical Engagement Wikimedia Foundation Principal Software Engineer Boise, ID USA [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] irc: bd808
Hello guys,
Thank you for the mail. I am afraid I won't be of much help here though - first of all it's been a while since I was very active in labs (started back then in Ryan Lane era) and now I am only very sporadically doing anything there (mostly just keeping alive some projects I started earlier that people still use, like wm-bot, XmlRcs, Huggle WL, updater etc.). Secondly, since my son was born last year, I barely have any time left, especially not for travelling (and even remotely - given I am not even a native English speaker and that connection from EU to Singapore might be rather laggy, I am afraid the quality of my contribution would be rather low :))
I hope you will find others willing to participate though! Thank you, glad I could talk to you guys, it's been a while :)
On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 6:28 AM YiFei Zhu zhuyifei1999@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 1:08 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 5:41 AM YiFei Zhu zhuyifei1999@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 2:39 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
After talking with both Arturo and Birgit about things we might present at Wikimania, I came up with this abstract for a talk:
Co-creating platforms and products: how the Wikimedia Cloud Services team works with the larger Wikimedia technical community to build and maintain Cloud VPS, Toolforge, Quarry, PAWS, and more
Did you know that volunteers are involved in planning, building, and maintaining the Cloud VPS and Toolforge projects as co-equals with paid staff from the Wikimedia Foundation? Since the start of the "Labs" project in 2011, one of the guiding principles for WMCS projects has been improving collaboration between Foundation staff and technical volunteers. Learn more about some of the policies and practices that are used to make this collaboration possible.
The submission would be under either the "governance" or "technology" tracks. I think it would work best as a panel discussion that is either "hybrid" (some folks in Singapore, some on-line) or pre-recorded video.
I think this is something that folks in the community might be interested in learning a bit about. I also think it would be interesting for those of us who have participated in this process to take some time to reflect on how we have worked together in the past and how we might like to see those those processes and practices evolve in the future. To make this talk work well there should be active voices from both the paid and volunteer staff involved. Towards that end, I'm mailing the cloud-admin@ list + 4 of you that I know have been active in the past in helping with Toolforge and/or Cloud VPS admin and features work to gauge your interest in participating. Thoughts?
[+ CC Petrb]
Oops forgot to reply. (I was like 'this is a long text I'll read it later' and then I forgot).
I like having this talk. I think one of the things that potential contributors may have is feeling intimidated by the complexity and that feeling of "this is too much", or that "this is something for the Foundation".
[...snip...]
I don't think I can make it to Singapore but I'm interested in hearing the talk. Depending on the time & sleep schedule maybe I could be there for the hybrid slot. Really looking forward to it.
Also CC'ed Petr, who was very active maintaining Toolforge during the 2013-2014 era.
Thanks for adding Petr to the thread YiFei.
After waiting for what felt like forever we have been notified by the Wikimania planning committee that this talk has been accepted for the conference. Now we need to figure out if there are actually enough of us who are interested in participating that we can actually make an interesting and informative presentation.
The abstract that I submitted is available at https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Submissions/Co-creating_platforms_and_products:_how_the_Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team_works_with_the_larger_Wikimedia_technical_community_to_build_and_maintain_Cloud_VPS,_Toolforge,_Quarry,_PAWS,_and_more_-_KNXDBK. As I wrote in the proposal, I envision this as a panel discussion amoung a number of us that have been a part of designing, implementing, and operating the Cloud Services projects at any time between 2011 and now.
With up to 60 minutes to fill I think it would be helpful if there were at least 4-5 of us interested in participating. We can present some amount of "filler" material in the form of a short history of Labs/Cloud VPS and Tool Labs/Toolforge projects, but the more interesting content in my opinion would be personal stories such as what YiFei has shared in this email thread about how he remembers becoming involved and what his own feelings are about that involvement.
The conference is offering "hybrid" sessions where some (or all) of us can join the presentation remotely, so you do not need to travel to Singapore to be a part of this session. I myself will be participating remotely.
The Wikimania organizers are waiting on me to respond that we will be presenting at the conference. If at least three others receiving this email respond that they are willing to be part of the panel discussion by Friday 2023-06-23 22:00 UTC I will accept our place in the schedule. Your participation would be at minimum agreeing to join the presenter video meeting for the session and being ready to respond to questions like "How did you first become involved in the Cloud Services project?" and "What's one practice from your time helping Cloud Services that you would like to see other Foundation sponsored projects adopt?". Folks who want to be more actively involved in working on the questions or preparing other content for the presentation are very much welcome too, but I can commit to being responsible for those parts myself to get us started.
When exactly is the panel? I can try my best to stay awake for it if it's in a bad time, since time zones.
Also I'll join remotely. Is it over zoom / google meet / something?
YiFei Zhu
Bryan
Bryan Davis Technical Engagement Wikimedia Foundation Principal Software Engineer Boise, ID USA [[m:User:BDavis_(WMF)]] irc: bd808
On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 7:04 AM Petr Bena benapetr@gmail.com wrote:
Hello guys,
Thank you for the mail. I am afraid I won't be of much help here though - first of all it's been a while since I was very active in labs (started back then in Ryan Lane era) and now I am only very sporadically doing anything there (mostly just keeping alive some projects I started earlier that people still use, like wm-bot, XmlRcs, Huggle WL, updater etc.). Secondly, since my son was born last year, I barely have any time left, especially not for travelling (and even remotely - given I am not even a native English speaker and that connection from EU to Singapore might be rather laggy, I am afraid the quality of my contribution would be rather low :))
I hope you will find others willing to participate though! Thank you, glad I could talk to you guys, it's been a while :)
Congratulations on your growing family Petr!
No worries about feeling like this is more than you have time for these days. You certainly were influential and important in getting the Labs project working in those early days with Ryan and Andrew. The things that we have today are different in a number of ways, but they certainly owe a large debt to the discussions and work of the early years of the project.
If there are any thoughts you have about what was especially good or waht you would do differently given the chance, please do not hesitate to share them. Even if you are not with us in the session we can pass along some of your thoughts if you are willing to share.
Bryan
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 10:28 PM YiFei Zhu zhuyifei1999@gmail.com wrote:
When exactly is the panel? I can try my best to stay awake for it if it's in a bad time, since time zones.
The actual schedule is not yet fixed. I assume that it will take at least a few weeks before the date and time of the session is known, and possibly longer.
The main conference will run from Thursday August 17 through Saturday August 19. Singapore is UTC+8, so I imagine most sessions will fall between 01:00 and 09:00 UTC on those days. For me in UTC-6 this translates to 19:00-03:00 local time.
Also I'll join remotely. Is it over zoom / google meet / something?
Yes, "something". :) The organizers have not yet announced the full platform for remote participation. Often for this sort of event there is one platform for virtual attendees and something separate for presenters that outputs video that is the rebroadcast on the attendee platform.
Bryan
On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 2:07 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
The Wikimania organizers are waiting on me to respond that we will be presenting at the conference. If at least three others receiving this email respond that they are willing to be part of the panel discussion by Friday 2023-06-23 22:00 UTC I will accept our place in the schedule.
Taavi, YiFei, and Andrew have all agreed to help me with this panel so I will be acking the selection with the Wikimania programming committee. I hope I can convince a few more of you folks to join us when we have more concrete information on when and how the event will take place.
Bryan
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 1:43 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
Taavi, YiFei, and Andrew have all agreed to help me with this panel so I will be acking the selection with the Wikimania programming committee. I hope I can convince a few more of you folks to join us when we have more concrete information on when and how the event will take place.
We have a time and date in the schedule now! The presentation is scheduled for Friday 2023-08-18 from 02:20 to 03:00 UTC [0] (10:20-11:00 local time in Singapore, 20:20-21:00 the night before for me in UTC-6) in room 311.
I have requested a "Hybrid, live: Some speakers will be onsite in Singapore and some will dial in" delivery for the session. Taavi will be on-site as a member of the panel and the rest of us currently will be joining remotely. I do not yet have details on the remote participation system for presenters, but I imagine that information will be coming the next few weeks.
Andrew & YiFei: If you have not yet registered as a remote participant for the conference, please do so at http://wikimania.eventyay.com by requesting a "virtual ticket". Registration for remote participation is free.
[0]: https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1692325250
Bryan
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 5:11 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 1:43 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
Taavi, YiFei, and Andrew have all agreed to help me with this panel so I will be acking the selection with the Wikimania programming committee. I hope I can convince a few more of you folks to join us when we have more concrete information on when and how the event will take place.
We have a time and date in the schedule now! The presentation is scheduled for Friday 2023-08-18 from 02:20 to 03:00 UTC [0] (10:20-11:00 local time in Singapore, 20:20-21:00 the night before for me in UTC-6) in room 311.
I have requested a "Hybrid, live: Some speakers will be onsite in Singapore and some will dial in" delivery for the session. Taavi will be on-site as a member of the panel and the rest of us currently will be joining remotely. I do not yet have details on the remote participation system for presenters, but I imagine that information will be coming the next few weeks.
Andrew, Taavi, and YiFei:
Our Wikimania session is only a week away! I guess that means it is time for me to stop procrastinating and get to work figuring out what we will talk about. ;)
I actually have not been completely slacking this whole time. I asked for folks to submit questions on the fediverse about a week ago [0]. That post got more re-posts than questions, but there are at least a couple of ideas from Sumanah that I think we should respond to.
I started an etherpad [1] with Sumanah's questions and a few others that I have dreamed up. Please take a look and 1) think about how you will answer, and 2) add more questions that you are interested in talking about. We can certainly try to take questions from the audience during the presentation as well, but I think we should try to plan out enough ourselves to make the session worthwhile.
I also learned recently that any slides we will use for the session need to be submitted to the A/V team by this coming Sunday 2023-08-13. I don't think we need many slides, but we should probably have a few things like a title slide, a speakers slide with some info about each of us, and a "learn more" slide about WMCS. I started a deck [2] based on the Wikimania 2023 template and will be work on it Friday/Saturday. If there are specific things you would like to see included in the deck let me know or add them in yourself.
Everyone else:
I would love more help thinking of more questions to ask and answer. If you can make 15 minutes to add a question of your own to the etherpad [1] that would be helpful to everyone. Your question doesn't have to be for the panel generically either. If you have something to ask one of us specifically that is welcome as well.
[0]: https://octodon.social/@bd808/110814521941824230 [1]: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/co-creating-wmcs [2]: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10IXDbdRGLq-5rG0yZVW70Th7LNrmbvz3eFkK...
Bryan
A bit of 'git log' and grepping gets me this non-exhaustive list of folks who have contributed code to wmcs.
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wmcs-contributors
Please correct and expand!
On 8/10/23 6:05 PM, Bryan Davis wrote:
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 5:11 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 1:43 PM Bryan Davis bd808@wikimedia.org wrote:
Taavi, YiFei, and Andrew have all agreed to help me with this panel so I will be acking the selection with the Wikimania programming committee. I hope I can convince a few more of you folks to join us when we have more concrete information on when and how the event will take place.
We have a time and date in the schedule now! The presentation is scheduled for Friday 2023-08-18 from 02:20 to 03:00 UTC [0] (10:20-11:00 local time in Singapore, 20:20-21:00 the night before for me in UTC-6) in room 311.
I have requested a "Hybrid, live: Some speakers will be onsite in Singapore and some will dial in" delivery for the session. Taavi will be on-site as a member of the panel and the rest of us currently will be joining remotely. I do not yet have details on the remote participation system for presenters, but I imagine that information will be coming the next few weeks.
Andrew, Taavi, and YiFei:
Our Wikimania session is only a week away! I guess that means it is time for me to stop procrastinating and get to work figuring out what we will talk about. ;)
I actually have not been completely slacking this whole time. I asked for folks to submit questions on the fediverse about a week ago [0]. That post got more re-posts than questions, but there are at least a couple of ideas from Sumanah that I think we should respond to.
I started an etherpad [1] with Sumanah's questions and a few others that I have dreamed up. Please take a look and 1) think about how you will answer, and 2) add more questions that you are interested in talking about. We can certainly try to take questions from the audience during the presentation as well, but I think we should try to plan out enough ourselves to make the session worthwhile.
I also learned recently that any slides we will use for the session need to be submitted to the A/V team by this coming Sunday 2023-08-13. I don't think we need many slides, but we should probably have a few things like a title slide, a speakers slide with some info about each of us, and a "learn more" slide about WMCS. I started a deck [2] based on the Wikimania 2023 template and will be work on it Friday/Saturday. If there are specific things you would like to see included in the deck let me know or add them in yourself.
Everyone else:
I would love more help thinking of more questions to ask and answer. If you can make 15 minutes to add a question of your own to the etherpad [1] that would be helpful to everyone. Your question doesn't have to be for the panel generically either. If you have something to ask one of us specifically that is welcome as well.
Bryan
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