Slightly off-offtopic, but not back on-topic, yet within scope and looking
forward...
I was exploring this kind of issue with ArthurPSmith yesterday on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#Hybrid_article. I
ended up drafting some possible requirements (in the context of delivering
natural-language text to Wikipedias):
- *Requirement [a]*: Implicit and/or explicit exclusion of a Wikidata
Item (explicit could be a special case of implicit but not vice versa)
- *Requirement [b]*: Wikipedias can opt out of sets of Items (including
a single Item)
- *Requirement [c]*: Wikipedias can opt out of sets of images, templates
etc (including sets of one), and of specific Wikidata claims (or types of
claim, loosely defined...)
- *Requirement [d]*: Inclusion of anything subject to [c], if
unconditional, implies opt-out by Wikipedias opting out under [c] (opt-outs
are inherited upwards by unconditional inclusion)
Do these make sense? Would they address the problem being discussed here in
full, or only in part? I would put "short description" under [c], as a
"type of claim", but I was already thinking [c] could be divided up. (Now
it looks to me as if the "explicit" part of [a] is the same as the "single
item" in [b], but they are what they are, for now..."All work is
preliminary")
Best regards,
Al.
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1. Re: How to store wikitext along the structured content?
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:41:17 +0200
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Amir, That discussion is not so much about undeploying the {{short
description}} feature, it is about WMF following up on what they undertook
to do to disable display of unsourced and unchecked Wikidata content in a
way that suggests it is Wikipedia content once Wikipedia met the WMFs
unilaterally imposed conditions against Wikipedia project consensus. I
would have expected the closing to have been worked out ahead of time, and
a mere formality, but it seems that interminable squabbling is possible
even in as straight forward appearing a situation as this.
Cheers,
Peter
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בתאריך יום ה׳, 30 ביולי 2020 ב-13:08 מאת Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood@telkomsa.net>:
Amir,
“some people are now thinking of undeploying the {{short description}}
feature”
Who? Where is this being discussed? I am not sure what you mean by
“undeploying the feature”
Agree that it was a badly handled problem and massive time-sink, but would
prefer that the baby is not thrown out with the bathwater.
Cheers,
Peter
On
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF) now, and a
lot of different and contradicting opinions are thrown around there.
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