Slightly off-offtopic, but not back on-topic, yet within scope and looking forward...
I was exploring this kind of issue with ArthurPSmith yesterday on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia#Hybrid_article. I ended up drafting some possible requirements (in the context of delivering natural-language text to Wikipedias):
- *Requirement [a]*: Implicit and/or explicit exclusion of a Wikidata Item (explicit could be a special case of implicit but not vice versa) - *Requirement [b]*: Wikipedias can opt out of sets of Items (including a single Item) - *Requirement [c]*: Wikipedias can opt out of sets of images, templates etc (including sets of one), and of specific Wikidata claims (or types of claim, loosely defined...) - *Requirement [d]*: Inclusion of anything subject to [c], if unconditional, implies opt-out by Wikipedias opting out under [c] (opt-outs are inherited upwards by unconditional inclusion)
Do these make sense? Would they address the problem being discussed here in full, or only in part? I would put "short description" under [c], as a "type of claim", but I was already thinking [c] could be divided up. (Now it looks to me as if the "explicit" part of [a] is the same as the "single item" in [b], but they are what they are, for now..."All work is preliminary")
Best regards, Al.
On Thursday, 30 July 2020, abstract-wikipedia-request@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
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- Re: How to store wikitext along the structured content? (Peter Southwood)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:41:17 +0200 From: "Peter Southwood" peter.southwood@telkomsa.net To: "'General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda)'" abstract-wikipedia@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] How to store wikitext along the structured content? Message-ID: 003101d66666$582586c0$08709440$@telkomsa.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Amir, That discussion is not so much about undeploying the {{short description}} feature, it is about WMF following up on what they undertook to do to disable display of unsourced and unchecked Wikidata content in a way that suggests it is Wikipedia content once Wikipedia met the WMFs unilaterally imposed conditions against Wikipedia project consensus. I would have expected the closing to have been worked out ahead of time, and a mere formality, but it seems that interminable squabbling is possible even in as straight forward appearing a situation as this.
Cheers,
Peter
From: Abstract-Wikipedia [mailto:abstract-wikipedia- bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Amir E. Aharoni Sent: 30 July 2020 12:22 To: General public mailing list for the discussion of Abstract Wikipedia (aka Wikilambda) Subject: Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] How to store wikitext along the structured content?
בתאריך יום ה׳, 30 ביולי 2020 ב-13:08 מאת Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net>:
Amir,
“some people are now thinking of undeploying the {{short description}} feature”
Who? Where is this being discussed? I am not sure what you mean by “undeploying the feature”
Agree that it was a badly handled problem and massive time-sink, but would prefer that the baby is not thrown out with the bathwater.
Cheers,
Peter
On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF) now, and a lot of different and contradicting opinions are thrown around there.
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