July 2020 - Abstract-Wikipedia - lists.wikimedia.org

Wikispore Sunday mini-conference
by Pharos 18 Jul '20

18 Jul '20

The event is Sunday July 19, hosted on Wikipedia Weekly Network. Time in select zones: 1:00–3:00 pm (New York City time) 17:00–19:00 UTC/GMT 19:00–21:00 Berlin time https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Wikispore_Day You can participate on the Youtube livestream here, and text chat with the presenters and ask questions, etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75Fv7Snc_w I also invite you to sign up for a lightning talk, and I will be glad to send interested individuals with related topics to present the on-air link: https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Wikispore_Day#Interested_participants Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)

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Related work: The Function hub
by Jose Emilio Labra Gayo 18 Jul '20

18 Jul '20

One project that I think is related to Wikilambda's goal of developing a comprehensive repository of functions is the "Function hub" ( https://fno.io/hub/search) that was developed during Ben de Meester's Phd as part of the Function ontology (https://fno.io/). I think it can be considered as part of the related work and maybe gather some inspiration from it. -- -- Best regards, Jose Labra -- http://labra.weso.es

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Wikidata Statement Provenance, Automated Reasoning, and Natural Language Generation
by Adam Sobieski 18 Jul '20

18 Jul '20

I would like to indicate, for discussion, some theoretical topics pertaining to natural language generation from Wikidata. An interesting feature of Wikidata is that it has sourced statements [1]. We can envision these sources and materials, the provenance of statements, propagating from the statements, through potential intermediate representations, to output natural language articles. In automatically-generated articles, these sources and materials could appear – as one might expect – as citations referring to referenced sources and materials which appear in “References” sections. Also interesting is that, should Wikidata come to support automated reasoning [2], it could be implemented in such a way that the enhanced provenance data (e.g. reasoning supporting, argumentation, proofs) for statements could similarly propagate from the statements, through intermediate representations, to output natural language articles. That is, automatically-generated articles could provide reasoning supporting, arguments for, and/or proofs of the contents of natural language sentences in a manner similar to how they can provide referenced sources and materials. Any thoughts on these topics? Best regards, Adam [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Sources [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Reasoning

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Development Part PP2 Suggestion
by Chris Cooley 16 Jul '20

16 Jul '20

There is a list of development tasks for this project at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks. I suggest we add a series of tasks to the above document in a new development part named PP2 that would start concurrently with part P1. Part PP2 would be "about producing a broad spectrum of ideas and alternatives from which a program for natural language generation from abstract descriptions would be selected." I have created a draft part PP2 at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks#Development_P… . As I am sure there are many problems with this very initial draft, I would ask that the community edit the draft and provide comments, objections, etc. in the talk page as they see fit. Thanks, Chris Cooley

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Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] [Wikispore] Abstract Wikipedia / Wikilambda on Wikispore?
by Samuel Klein 15 Jul '20

15 Jul '20

That sounds like a fine crossover question for both lists :) It feels like initial hypothetical examples could be fleshed out into separate articles / pages right away. And tool / extension / gadget designs could reference those. On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 7:17 AM Thomas Shafee <thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds excellent - and I look forward to seeing it grow. Do you think > specialised extensions/gadgets will be needed initially, or will it be > possible to start making example/prototype articles straight away? > > Thomas > > On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 21:11, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk> > wrote: > >> Glad to hear this as it was my initial thought! >> >> S >> >> On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 at 03:24, Denny Vrandečić <dvrandecic(a)wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I started a conversation today to consider Wikispore as a possible place >>> for hosting the early content for Abstract Wikipedia. >>> >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/abstract-wikipedia/2020-July/thread.h… >>> >>> Feel free to chime in. >>> >>> Stay safe, >>> Denny >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikispore mailing list >>> Wikispore(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikispore >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Stuart Prior* >> *Project Coordinator* >> *Wikimedia UK* >> +44 203 372 0769 >> +44 7879 015 385 (text me otherwise I might screen the call) >> >> Wikimedia UK is the national chapter for the global Wikimedia open >> knowledge movement. We rely on donations from individuals to support our >> work to make knowledge open for all. Have you considered supporting >> Wikimedia? https://donate.wikimedia.org.uk >> >> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and >> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered >> Office Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=5+-+11+Lavington+Street,+London+SE1+0NZ&entry=gm…> >> . >> >> Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The >> Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate >> Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent >> non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility >> for its contents.* >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikispore mailing list >> Wikispore(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikispore >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikispore mailing list > Wikispore(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikispore > -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

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How Can the V8 Engine and/or WebAssembly Be of Use for the Wikilambda Project?
by Adam Sobieski 15 Jul '20

15 Jul '20

With respect to the early discussion topic [1] of the “data and evaluation model for the code repository (Wikilambda)”, I would like to broach, for discussion, that the V8 engine [9] and/or WebAssembly [10] can be of use for the Wikilambda project. While reading the plan [2] and tasks [3] documents, I observed tasks: P1.12 [4], P1.15 [5], O6 [6], O16 [7] and O29 [8]. Task P1.12 [4] indicates JavaScript-based implementations. Task P1.15 [5] indicates Lua implementations. Lua can be compiled to WebAssembly [12]. Task O6 [6] indicates Python implementations. Python can be compiled to WebAssembly [13]. There is a lengthy list of programming languages which already can or are planned to soon be able to compile to WebAssembly [11]. Task O29 [8] indicates compilation for significant speedup. The use of WebAssembly would facilitate task O16 [7], browser-based evaluation scenarios. WebAssembly is broadly supported by Web browsers. The V8 engine is utilized by Chromium-based Web browsers such as Brave, Chrome, Edge, Opera, and Vivaldi [9]. “The V8 engine can be used in a browser or integrated into independent projects” [9]. The V8 engine is utilized by the popular Node.js runtime environment [9]. The V8 engine includes a WebAssembly implementation. With respect to processing JavaScript, the V8 engine “first generates an abstract syntax tree with its own parser. Then, Ignition, the V8 interpreter, generates bytecode from this syntax tree using the internal V8 bytecode format [15]. TurboFan is the V8 optimizing compiler, it takes this bytecode and generates machine code from it. In other words, V8 compiles JavaScript directly to native machine code using just-in-time compilation before executing it. The compiled code is additionally optimized (and re-optimized) dynamically at runtime, based on heuristics of the code's execution profile. Optimization techniques used include inlining, elision of expensive runtime properties, and inline caching” [9]. The V8 engine “can compile to x86, ARM or MIPS instruction set architectures in both their 32- and 64-bit editions; as well, it has been ported to PowerPC and IBM s390 for use in servers” [9]. The V8 engine’s Ignition virtual machine [14] is “a register machine with an accumulator register” [15]. The WebAssembly virtual machine is “a portable virtual stack machine” [10]. In what ways can the V8 engine and/or WebAssembly be of use for the Wikilambda project? Could the V8 engine’s Ignition virtual machine [14][15] and/or the WebAssembly virtual machine [10] be of use as evaluation models or compilation targets for Wikilambda? Best regards, Adam Sobieski [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Early_discussion_topics [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Plan [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks#Task_P1.12:_JavaSc… [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks#Task_P1.15:_Lua-ba… [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Plan#Task_O6:_Python-bas… [7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Plan#Task_O16:_Browser-b… [8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Tasks#Task_O29:_Implemen… [9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_(JavaScript_engine) [10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebAssembly [11] https://github.com/appcypher/awesome-wasm-langs [12] https://github.com/appcypher/awesome-wasm-langs#lua [13] https://github.com/appcypher/awesome-wasm-langs#python [14] https://v8.dev/docs/ignition [15] https://medium.com/dailyjs/understanding-v8s-bytecode-317d46c94775

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Re: [Abstract-wikipedia] Communication channels / locations
by Pharos 15 Jul '20

15 Jul '20

We'd be very glad to host documentation and planning on Wikispore, that very much fits within our mission of fostering new sister projects, and hopefully it can help provide a leading example to other nascent sister project concepts too. Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)

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Managing On-Wiki Discussion
by Christopher Cooley 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Hello all, I have noticed that a large amount of on-wiki discussion is already being generated, which is great! However, I am concerned that interesting or active discussions will not receive the attention they deserve with so much material. I admit that this concern may be borne out of some amount of unfamiliarity with how these discussions usually operate, but this project seems like the kind to generate a large amount of unfocused discussion that may eventually become useful, so I do think this problem should be addressed for this project . One idea would be to regularly send an email to this list to highlight some interesting or active on-wiki discussions that deserve the community's attention. Thanks, Chris Cooley

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Wikilambda allows editors to create and maintain code
by Amirouche Boubekki 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

The proposal of wikilambda at [0] starts with: > Wikilambda is a new Wikimedia project that allows editors to create and maintain code. This is useful in many different ways. It provides a catalog of all kind of functions that anyone can call, write, maintain, and use. [0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia#Proposal Then it goes into: > It also provides code that translates the language-independent article from Abstract Wikipedia into the language of a Wikipedia. This allows everyone to read the article in their language. Wikilambda will use knowledge about words and entities from Wikidata. It seems to me that the first part is much different from the second part. The first part describes some kind of code repository (with versioning I assume). The second part focus on the main use case for that repository and describes to some extent what would be the required or necessary function that can be created inside the repository. The second part can be understood as the procedure required by abstract Wikipedia to do its work. I want to focus on the first part. If I understand correctly wikilambda is a *wiki for code*, that possibly allows translating procedure/function, documentation, and really any name into multiple natural languages. The programming language itself is not fixed yet. We know that we would like to make it possible to run programs on various existing programming language interpreter/compiler. That is already beyond the scope of this email. Here is the question: Is that correct that wikilambda is a repository for code that allows us to: 1) create, 2) maintain, 3) localize identifiers and documentation into multiple natural languages Is that all of wikilambda?

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Live communication channel (IRC, or telegram, or something)
by Amirouche Boubekki 11 Jul '20

11 Jul '20

It will be nice to have a live communication channel for the project. Something like slack or telegram or better IRC ;-)

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