[WikiEN-l] Nationality on the lead of articles

[Fences&Windows]

"I dread to think how many megabytes of discussion are spent on discussing 
nationalities."

So why are you discussing it?

Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:56:46 +0100
From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp at googlemail.com>
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Nationality in the lead of articles
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One thing that annoys me about some Wikipedia articles is the tendency
for editors to argue over the nationality of a person in the biography
article about them. The classic example is Copernicus, which has some
justification in that there is sourced discussion of the history of an
actual dispute (though the dispute was long after Copernicus). This
kind of dispute was seen again in the John Michael Wright article that
Scott MacDonald mentioned recently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Michael_Wright

The wording there is fine, but it can lead to convoluted writing, such
as in the Descartes or Copernicus articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus

"John Michael Wright (May 1617 ? July 1694)[2] was a portrait painter
in the Baroque style. Described variously as English and Scottish"
"Ren? Descartes [...] was a natural philosopher and writer who spent
most of his adult life in the Dutch Republic"

The current solution on the Copernicus article seems to be to omit
mention altogether from the lead.

I can't see any reason myself why Descartes can's simply be described
in the lead as French. Go into detail later, yes, but people tend to
be too sensitive about what is said in the lead and sometimes require
too much detail in order to achieve precision and accuracy.

Another one is Robert Boyle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Boyle

Again, the question of whether he should be described as Irish or
British or Anglo-Irish (or whatever) is avoided in the lead. Extensive
discussions have taken place on the talk page. But this is an example
of an article where the rest of it should be improved, while
resolutely ignoring the storm going on around that one small part of
it. I dread to think how many megabytes of discussion are spent on
discussing nationalities.

Carcharoth