[WikiEN-l] cleaning up the Kosovo geographic names

[Carcharoth]

I agree the names should be in the articles as well (if the mountains
have two well-known names in different languages), but in terms of
people finding the articles, a redirect will perform that function
just as well. Though it is confusing to readers to follow a redirect
and fail to find the name in the text of the destination article.

Carcharoth

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Mike  Dupont
<jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:
>>> I would like to point out that the "List of mountains in Serbia" and
>>> "List of mountains in Kosovo" are again POV forks. They contain the
>>> same data in different levels of quality. Additionally, the editors
>>> refused to include to albanian names so that we can even find the
>>> article. This is a problem with the wikipedia to allow such confusing
>>> things to happen.
>>>
>>> People don't care if some editor recognizes kosovo or not, they just
>>> want to know where the mountain is so they can go hiking or whatever.
>>> we cannot allow every list to be a POV fork.
>>>
>>> Either we define the individual mountains as templates to be included
>>> by both pages, or we include the kosovo list as a separate list on the
>>> serbian list, or we remove the kosovo list items from the serbian
>>> lists.
>>>
>>> We cannot have two lists of everything that have two POVs.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> mike
>>
>> Even if we do have two lists, both names should be on both lists.
>
> OK, but you do agree that it is against policy to have two lists of
> the same content.
>
> Serbia removed kosovo from the list of towns places in kosovo.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities,_towns_and_villages_in_Serbia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_settlements_in_Serbia_%28alphabetic%29
>
> They removed montengro from the list of mountains of serbia and montenegro.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountains_in_Serbia_and_Montenegro
>
> They are holding on the mountains of Kosovo, well after studying the
> list, if they lose them, they will lose a lot of big mountains. I
> guess it is an emotional issue of clinging, and I am prepared to leave
> it for now, but my readings of the policy of wikipedia, it is clearly
> a POV fork.
>
> there are more of them to be found, and if we accept that, then it
> will encourage even more forks in the future.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_place_names_in_Serbia
>
> we can also make a list of Albanian place names in Serbia, list of
> Albanian Mountain names in Serbia etc etc.
> That might be the solution to the problem, at least they will be
> found, which is my current problem, I just cannot find the articles
> given the local names.
>
> thanks,
> mike
>
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