[WikiEN-l] Drafting - was Re: Civility poll results

[FT2]

Actually the redirect isnt much of an issue.

Moves from draft to mainspace leaving a redirect are harmless (or indeed
beneficial, they show where the draft ended up to anyone checking it)

Moves from mainspace to draft are usually going to be due to being deemed
inadequate at AFD, or possibly other removal/deletion processes, which would
in the usual course routinely be handled by admins. if not, then part of
cleanup is that the non-admin closer tags the redirect as {{db-reason}} or
such.

FT2



On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Emily Monroe <bluecaliocean at me.com> wrote:

> I have the impression that that's only available to admins?
>
> Emily
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:39 PM, FT2 wrote:
>
> > It's simpler than that. "Move" has an option not to leave a redirect.
> >
> >
> > FT2
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Carcharoth <carcharothwp at googlemail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> There is no draft namespace (yet). That would have to be proposed and
> >> discussed on-wiki (discussions here are more like brain-storming).
> >> The
> >> closest thing at the moment is "userfy" (if there is a tag for that).
> >> But you would usually move it to the user's namespace (yes, you do it
> >> the normal way) and let them know what you've done, as you then need
> >> to delete the redirect. It is usually only done for obvious cases
> >> (e.g. someone write a biography of themself that should be on their
> >> user page instead).
> >>
> >> Carcharoth
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Emily Monroe<bluecaliocean at me.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> I propose that we have a "This probably belongs in the draft
> >>> namespace." tag. I don't know how to move something from one
> >>> namespace
> >>> into another (do you do it the normal way?), and it will help with
> >>> busy new page patrollers. If I see two or three articles that
> >>> needs to
> >>> be moved to the draft namespace, and then four or five looking like
> >>> attack/test/spam pages, I'll probably be grateful for the ability to
> >>> tag. More than likely, I'll just forget about the two or three
> >>> articles needing to be moved, and it's highly unlikely, in this time
> >>> of my life, that I'll change the way I patrol.
> >>>
> >>> Emily
> >>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Oops! That's right, I completely forgot that! :-/
> >>>>
> >>>> Carcharoth
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Andrew
> >>>> Turvey<andrewrturvey at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Non-logged in people cant create new articles.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- "Carcharoth" <carcharothwp at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> From: "Carcharoth" <carcharothwp at googlemail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 13 August, 2009 17:10:41 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain,
> >>>>>> Ireland, Portugal
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Drafting - was Re: Civility poll results
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Charles
> >>>>>> Matthews<charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Carcharoth wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, FT2<ft2.wiki at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd be in favor of a "Draft:" namespace, which users could use
> >>>>>>>>> for drafting
> >>>>>>>>> articles. Content to be non-spidered. That way we can tell a
> >>>>>>>>> user to see if
> >>>>>>>>> some other user has started work on a draft already.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This would possibly help collaboration, ensure only credible
> >>>>>>>>> articles get
> >>>>>>>>> mainspaced, yet retain "anyone can edit" and the gradual
> >>>>>>>>> development of
> >>>>>>>>> stubs without pressure to delete.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's been suggested before. What it needs is someone to drive
> >>>>>>>> the idea forward.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Notice that if you now try to start the page [[dummydummy]], you
> >>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>> offered the chance to draft it at [[Special:MyPage/Dummydummy
> >>>>>>> <
> >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MyPage/Dummydummy&action=edit
> >>>>>>>> ]].
> >>>>>>> I'm not entirely clear what the preferred route is from there.
> >>>>>>> But I
> >>>>>>> imagine suggestions for drafting as more systematically
> >>>>>>> encouraged
> >>>>>>> should be grafted onto this use of special pages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I *think* that is only for people who are logged in.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carcharoth
> >>>>>>
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