[WikiEN-l] Civility poll results

[FT2]

The main obstacle would be getting it used. I can see it being a nice idea
but little used, unfortunately.

If a Draft: space did exist, presumably the main target would be users
unfamiliar with editing norms, to make it easier to start. We might tell new
users:

"If you are not experienced at writing articles, please draft your article
[[LINK|here]] until you're ready to get other users' views on it. The
'draft' area of Wikipedia allows any user with less experience to create
articles and work on them or get feedback, until they feel the article is
ready for the encyclopedia. It's also a good place to start, for articles
which will take time to write, or articles about living people where it's
important to get it right."


FT2




On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, FT2 <ft2.wiki at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think that's an issue, really.
>
> Present process:
>
>    - No article exists, google doesn't show anything, any redlinks are
>    redlinked..... and user X or passer-by Y decides to write an article "off
>    their own bat".
>
>
> Proposed process:
>
>    - A draft (but not a mainspace) article exists, google doesn't show
>    anything, any redlinks are redlinked..... and userX or passer-by Y decide to
>    write an article "off their own bat".
>
>    This time they find another user started a stub but it never went
>    anywhere. Now they can start a new article anyway, or they have someone else
>    to work with.
>
> Bear in mind a draft space is not intended to be for "all items unless
> superb". It's for starters, possible articles not yet ready for mainspace,
> etc. It has other advantages:
>
>    - An article with problem statements is mainspaced, then spidered, and
>    continues to propagate round the web while at AFD or after CSD.
>    - There is less pressure to CSD an article; it won't be ranked for
>    promotion nor spidered for harm, so articles under construction can be put
>    there a bit longer than elsewhere.
>    - If a user is working on an article in userspace (which we recommend a
>    lot of the time), then a second user normally won't know about it, so
>    collaboration isn't possible. This way all articles under construction have
>    amuch better chance of being findable by collaborators, or patrolled by
>    would-be improvers.
>
> But overall when you compare "userspace or deletion" to "draft space", then
> this actually might work *better* for collaboration.
>
> FT2
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Surreptitiousness <
> surreptitious.wikipedian at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> FT2 wrote:
>> > I'd be in favor of a "Draft:" namespace, which users could use for
>> drafting
>> > articles. Content to be non-spidered. That way we can tell a user to see
>> if
>> > some other user has started work on a draft already.
>> >
>> > This would possibly help collaboration, ensure only credible articles
>> get
>> > mainspaced, yet retain "anyone can edit" and the gradual development of
>> > stubs without pressure to delete.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>>
>> What worries me about it being a draft namespace which is non-spidered
>> is that you'd lose the ability to grow the contribution base, because
>> people couldn't stumble upon it.  You'd also lose the ability for
>> Wikipedia itself to grow.  I'd rather have the stuff up front and
>> centre.  After all, Wikipedia is always supposed to be a working draft.
>> I'd rather use something like a sub-standard tag, perhaps even so far as
>> to embed the tag in the article so that it can only be removed by an
>> admin or other form of gatekeeper, although how that would work I don't
>> know. I think there is lack of understanding that the "rules" work on a
>> gradient on Wikipedia, by which I mean rules apply more rigidly in some
>> cases than in others, and if we could ingrain that by having tiered
>> articles, that might be a way forwards. The BLP has been a step in the
>> right direction, but we haven't really formulated anything for other
>> areas.
>>
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