[WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

[Emily Monroe]

> This conversation seems to be getting a little steeped in "attack"  
> mode, doesn't it?

That was an honest, legitimate hypothetical question of mine. I  
addressed it primarily to Will, and secondarily to everybody. I never  
mean to attack anyone. I wouldn't live with my conscious if I had  
lived a life like that. If I did unintentionally attack *anyone*, then  
I owe an apology to Will and the list that I'm offering now.

> So my question at this point in the debate would be to ask myself  
> why someone who lives "in a place where there isn't any library for  
> hours (or  days even)" would be overly bothered about verifying  
> right that second.

I didn't mean to imply that they would be bothered about verifying  
references right that second. I was starting to read into this debate  
(and maybe it's just me) that every Wikipedian should be bothered  
about verifying right that second. I was proven wrong when Will  
pointed out that that wasn't his point.

Emily
On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Surreptitiousness wrote:

> This conversation seems to be getting a little steeped in "attack"  
> mode,
> doesn't it?  I mean, if we take a step back, do we verify everything  
> we
> read ever period?  The fact that you just read this email seems to
> suggest no, actually we don't.  So my question at this point in the
> debate would be to ask myself why someone who lives "in a place where
> there isn't any library for hours (or  days even)" would be overly
> bothered about verifying right that second. Yes, sometimes you just
> don;t verify citations.  Wikipedia is built up through a kind of trust
> net, we're relying on other people to have checked the info out.
> Personally I've always taken the stance that we should cite any  
> source,
> with as much detail as possible, and let the reader make the judgement
> as to reliability, verifiability and so on. Anyone who accepts  
> anything
> at face value needs shooting, you ask me. I'll let Fred translate  
> again
> if need be.  David Mitchell made a similar point a while back in The
> Observer.
>
>
>
> Emily Monroe wrote:
>> Will,
>>
>> If I may ask a question.
>>
>> What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or
>> days even) via whatever transportation I have available?
>>
>> What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and
>> there's no way I can really get books or newsletter to help cite
>> wikipedia?
>>
>> What would I do then? Do I just not verify citations?
>>
>> Emily
>> On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:11 PM, WJhonson at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:40:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> dan at tobias.name writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> So if I wanted to cite some rare book which I happened to know of
>>>> only one copy in existence, located at the Amundsen-Scott South  
>>>> Pole
>>>> Station in Antarctica, it would be up to you to arrange travel  
>>>> there
>>>> to check it.>>
>>>>
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> Items of this level of rarity fail our test that the item is  
>>> publicly
>>> accessible.  We never really set where the bar should be, but we all
>>> seemed to
>>> agree (at the time) that an item should be generally available in
>>> some way.
>>> It's too onorous to require a random editor to have to verify
>>> something
>>> against a single copy.
>>>
>>> By the way, you would think that if something this rare were really
>>> worth
>>> citing, that it would have already been published in a scholarly
>>> edition.
>>> Your example is a bit eccentric, I wonder if you have an actual case
>>> in mind.
>>>
>>> Will Johnson
>>>
>>>
>>>
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