On Dec 11, 2007 2:18 PM, Relata Refero <refero.relata(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 12, 2007 12:21 AM, jayjg <jayjg99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 2007 1:08 PM, Andrew Gray <shimgray(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/12/2007, jayjg <jayjg99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Dec 11, 2007 11:58 AM, Andrew Gray
<andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:
> On 11/12/2007, jayjg <jayjg99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Experience says "no", I am afraid. We will discuss this topic,
> > > repeated ad nauseum and ad hominem by The Side Of Justice And Truth
> > > And Light, and God help you if you dare suggest we've heard enough.
> >
> > Actually, Andrew, I don't think the discussion is over until you've
> > told the victims of harassment to leave Wikipedia for the good of
> > Wikipedia. At that point the thread sinks so low that nothing can
> > redeem it.
>
> "God help you if you dare suggest we've heard enough", I said, and by
> golly here it comes.
>
> But I suppose it's too much to ask you don't put words in my mouth.
"Please leave. All of you. The project is more important than your
pride, and you are dragging it down; this situation is never going to
improve unless someone walks away."
Andrew Gray, Wed Aug 1 14:41:22 UTC 2007
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-August/078379.html
"Please. For the good of the project, turn around and walk away."
Andrew Gray, Thu Aug 2 02:35:38 UTC 2007
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-August/078422.html
Ah, yes, that last one...
"Like I said originally, this is not personal; this is not because I
dislike any of the participants ... I feel a heel saying it. I wish
the situation wasn't where it's got to."
"This whole thing is ballooning bigger and bigger as time goes on;
what you are doing is harming the project, and if it goes on much
further the incremental damage will be that much worse."
It doesn't seem to have changed much.
Right, I didn't put words in your mouth after all, as you claimed, and
you're still posting the same nonsense. Frankly, given your attitude,
Wikipedia would be better off without you; nothing personal, and I
wish it weren't so, but it's clear you should just leave.
Any progress on the pausing-to-see-if-your-next-email-is helpful
front, Jay? Or the not-replying-unless-its-ontopic front? Or the
raising-the-level-of-discourse-on-this-list front? No?
I've successfully managed all of those things; you, unfortunately,
have failed on all those fronts. I believe this thread started going
awry when somebody hijacked it a couple of days ago to make false
claims about the cyberstalking list that have already been repeatedly
refuted. Now, I wonder who that might be? Hmm:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-December/087150.html
Again, caricaturing opposing viewpoints is never
helpful.
I haven't caricatured anyone, you've done a great job all on your own.