[WikiEN-l] Hello

[Marc Riddell]

I don't understand how it would defeat the purpose of subcats. My goal is to
be able to retrieve lists of persons with like characteristics. Unless a
person is included in a subcategory, they will not be included in that list.
A person who dies from lung cancer, also belongs in the larger list of
persons who died from cancer.

Marc

> From: "The Cunctator" <cunctator at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:24:45 -0500
> To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l at wikipedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello
> 
> On 12/12/06, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Here are some examples, my main argument and a proposal:
>> 
>> When I began contributing to Wikipedia, there was a Category 3Suicides2.
>> If
>> a person1s article stated they committed suicide, the category, 3Suicides2
>> would be included. If this person had committed suicide by using a
>> firearm,
>> the Category, 3Suicides by firearm2 would be also be included. In this
>> case
>> the Category, 3Deaths by firearm2 would also be included. In this way, the
>> researcher can call up, individually, all persons in the encyclopedia who
>> had committed suicide. Then, if they chose, they could also call up
>> separate
>> lists of those who committed suicide by firearm, and a separate list of
>> all
>> persons who died by firearm. This was wonderful for the researcher.
>> 
>> Then, I began finding many of my edits being reverting by persons who
>> stated
>> that only one of these Categories should be included in an article; that
>> both a main category and a subcategory should not be in the same article.
>> More and more of these articles were being diluted by this argument.
>> 
>> I have been in constant conflict with some who state that it is not only
>> redundant to enter a single Article into both Categories; it is actually
>> against Wikipedia policy. At present, if I enter John Doe into the
>> ‘Suicides
>> by firearm1 Category only, he does not appear in the ‘Deaths by firearm1
>> Category list. Consequently, if I want to call up all persons in the
>> encyclopedia who have died by firearm, I must call up all the subcategory
>> lists and collate them myself.
>> 
>> Another example: Jane Doe dies from breast cancer. Category: 3Deaths from
>> breast cancer2 is added to her Category box, but I do not include the
>> Category: 3Cancer deaths2. Then, when I click on the ‘Category: Deaths
>> from
>> breast cancer1, her name is included in this list. But, if I click on the
>> ‘Category: Cancer deaths1 she is not included.
>> 
>> What I am wanting by adding her name to both Categories is a separate list
>> of ALL persons who died from breast cancer, and a separate list of ALL
>> persons who died from cancer. What is the problem with including the same
>> Article in both a Main Category and a Subcategory?
> 
> 
> It pretty much defeats the purpose of having subcategories.
> 
> By putting an article into a subcategory, you are effectively putting it
> into the parent category.
> 
> Maybe we should figure out a way to make that more obvious.
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