I don't understand how it would defeat the purpose of subcats. My goal is to
be able to retrieve lists of persons with like characteristics. Unless a
person is included in a subcategory, they will not be included in that list.
A person who dies from lung cancer, also belongs in the larger list of
persons who died from cancer.
Marc
From: "The Cunctator"
<cunctator(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:24:45 -0500
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello
On 12/12/06, Marc Riddell <michaeldavid86(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Here are some examples, my main argument and a proposal:
When I began contributing to Wikipedia, there was a Category 3Suicides2.
If
a person1s article stated they committed suicide, the category, 3Suicides2
would be included. If this person had committed suicide by using a
firearm,
the Category, 3Suicides by firearm2 would be also be included. In this
case
the Category, 3Deaths by firearm2 would also be included. In this way, the
researcher can call up, individually, all persons in the encyclopedia who
had committed suicide. Then, if they chose, they could also call up
separate
lists of those who committed suicide by firearm, and a separate list of
all
persons who died by firearm. This was wonderful for the researcher.
Then, I began finding many of my edits being reverting by persons who
stated
that only one of these Categories should be included in an article; that
both a main category and a subcategory should not be in the same article.
More and more of these articles were being diluted by this argument.
I have been in constant conflict with some who state that it is not only
redundant to enter a single Article into both Categories; it is actually
against Wikipedia policy. At present, if I enter John Doe into the
Suicides
by firearm1 Category only, he does not appear in the Deaths by firearm1
Category list. Consequently, if I want to call up all persons in the
encyclopedia who have died by firearm, I must call up all the subcategory
lists and collate them myself.
Another example: Jane Doe dies from breast cancer. Category: 3Deaths from
breast cancer2 is added to her Category box, but I do not include the
Category: 3Cancer deaths2. Then, when I click on the Category: Deaths
from
breast cancer1, her name is included in this list. But, if I click on the
Category: Cancer deaths1 she is not included.
What I am wanting by adding her name to both Categories is a separate list
of ALL persons who died from breast cancer, and a separate list of ALL
persons who died from cancer. What is the problem with including the same
Article in both a Main Category and a Subcategory?
It pretty much defeats the purpose of having subcategories.
By putting an article into a subcategory, you are effectively putting it
into the parent category.
Maybe we should figure out a way to make that more obvious.
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