[WikiEN-l] Clutch continues to violate policy

Erik Moeller erik_moeller at gmx.de
Wed Dec 11 21:02:00 UTC 2002


I hate to be the one to report this, but Clutch (Jonathan Walter)  
continues to violate policy and unilaterally removes portions of the  
Richard Wagner article which he considers offensive. This includes  
Wagner's specific statements about Jews in "Das Judentum in der Musik",  
detailed information about his relationship with Hermann Levi, detailed  
information about Hitler's use of Wagner's music and the relationship to  
the *Bayreuther Kreis* etc. As Ortolan pointed out, Clutch is writing an  
article about "Wagner, the best friend the Jews have had since Moses".

There is consensus on the Talk: page among all participants except Clutch  
that Clutch is violating policy. Ed Poor has already repeatedly warned  
Clutch, but Clutch refuses to comply. Others who oppose Clutch's edits are
        - CYD
        - Someone else
        - RK
        - Ortolan88
        - myself.

I have found nobody who supports his edits. I do expect Jonathan Walter,  
his alter ego, to quickly argue in support of Clutch, though.

Clutch has also added whimsical statements, such as characterizing  
Wagner's anti-Semitic views, which he held from his mid thirties to the  
end of his life, as "youthful". I suspect that he is trolling Wikipedia to  
prove that he can get away with anything he wants.

Given Clutch's past behavior, which has just recently been pointed out on  
the list by mav (Daniel Mayer) and previously by me regarding the User:Lir  
episode, I think a warning from the administration is in order. Clutch  
should stop reverting the Richard Wagner article immediately, otherwise he  
should be banned temporarily.

In order for these measures to be taken as soon as possible, I ask the  
other people involved who read this to reply and confirm that they agree  
with this.

Regards,

Erik Moeller



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