[Gendergap] [Commons-l] Fwd: Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons

[Béria Lima]

You can be bold and write an essay Sarah. But to that became a policy the
community will need to agree. And in fact there are in en.wiki guidelines
about what not to write in a request for deletion, so you could create
somenthing like "what not to write in a Featured Picture request".
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2011/5/18 Sarah <slimvirgin  gmail.com>

>  On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:37, Fred Bauder <fredbaud  fairpoint.net>wrote:
>
>>  > We had a situation recently where we were discussing a BLP, and part
>> of
>> > the
>> > content was that the woman had experienced a serious sexual assault. In
>> > the
>> > course of discussing how to approach it, a couple of remarks were made
>> > that
>> > tended to downplay what had happened to her, and one person -- in a
>> > different section on the talk page -- commented on how attractive she
>> > was,
>> > and how he wanted to have her babies.
>> >
>> > I was so disgusted by this that I felt (and to some extent still feel)
>> > that
>> > I didn't want to be involved in the project anymore, because why am I
>> > wasting my time in that kind of atmosphere? I felt that it said
>> something
>> > about me, rather than about them.
>> >
>> > I also had to decide whether to say something, or let it lie, and if I
>> > did
>> > say something, I had to make sure I was polite and circumspect, rather
>> > than
>> > screaming it from the rooftops, which is what I wanted to do. And it
>> > suddenly felt like nothing had changed in the last 40 years, that these
>> > remarks still appear, and that women are still made to feel bad if they
>> > challenge them. And if we do challenge them, must be extra polite about
>> > it.
>> > Not make a fuss.
>> >
>> > So that felt kind of depressing.
>> >
>> > Sarah
>>
>> Now we're getting down to a serious discussion. The actual horns of the
>> dilemma a Wikipedia administrator is in. In a way being limited to text
>> fails to communicate the immediate expression of disgust that would
>> happen in a face-to-face situation, so there is a failure to communicate
>> feedback effectively. A polite note fails.
>>
>> I did say something in the end, and an uninvolved admin left a note on
> talk asking that the remarks cease. And though he meant well, and I was and
> remain grateful to him for stepping in, he asked that they cease as a matter
> of courtesy to me. But I didn't want them to stop as a matter of courtesy. I
> wanted people to recognize that they were politically unacceptable.
>
> Then I had to explain why the remarks were offensive, when what I really
> wanted was for them to end, and the meta-discussion to end. Eventually it
> did die down and a couple of other editors stepped in, and one of the
> earlier ones apologized, so it was okay.
>
> But I would love to find a way to nip this kind of thing in the bud. I've
> thought of trying to write an essay or a guideline -- but then people will
> cry censorship, and will want to know what kind of comments are suddenly not
> permitted, and who is to judge whether they're offensive, and will argue
> that not all women agree on definitions of sexism anyway. So it felt like
> too much of an uphill struggle even to begin it.
>
> Sarah
>
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