[Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] WikiCite - new WMF project? Was: UPEI's proposal for a "universal citation index"

[Brian J Mingus]

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brian,
>
> The meta process for new project proposals is still the cleanest one
> for suggesting a specific Project and presenting it alongside similar
> projects.
>
> It would be helpful if you could update a related project proposal on
> meta -- say, [[m:WikiBibliography]], if that seems relevant.  (I just
> cleaned that page up and merged in an older proposal that had been
> obfuscated.)
>
>
Thanks for your work on this - definitely in the right direction! I will
consider whether I feel it's the right way for me to get started. One point
is that I am pointing more in the direction of a long-form proposal, and I
have more experience writing white-paper proposals for academia. I certainly
want it to end up on wiki, but when TPTB finally read the proposal perhaps
they will find it more persuasive if it is a professional looking document
that lands in their inbox.


> Or you can create a new project proposal...  WikiCite as a name can be
> confusing, since it has been used to refer to this bibliographic idea,
> but also to refer to the idea of citations for every statement or fact
> - something closer to a blame or trust solution that includes
> citations in its transactions.
>
>
Another name that I have come up with is OpenScholar. I still rather like
it, but suspect it has too much of a scientific ring to it? Names are
certainly very important so we should do more work on this avenue. Including
a list of names in the proposal would be a good idea, and perhaps the final
name will be a combination of existing name proposals.


> We should figure out how this project would work with acawiki, and
> possibly bibdex.  Bibdex doesn't aim to   And it would be helpful to
> have a publicly-viewable demo to play with -- could you clone your
> current wiki and populate the result with dummy data?
>

The problem with WikiPapers is that it has too many features! A feature-thin
version would be ideal for the proposal though, so I will plan to have some
kind of a demo site available.


> I love the idea of having a global place to discuss citations -- ALL
> citations -- something that OpenLibrary, the arXiv, and anyone else
> hosting cited documents could point to for every one of its works.
>

Exactly :)

Brian


> Sam.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
> <nemowiki at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Brian J Mingus, 19/07/2010 22:20:
> >> The basic idea is a centralized wiki that contains citation information
> that
> >> other MediaWikis and WMF projects can then reference using something
> like a
> >> {{cite}} template or a simple link. The community can document the
> citation,
> >> the author, the book etc.. and, in one idealization, all citations
> across
> >> all wikis would point to the same article on WikiCite. Users can use
> this
> >> wiki as their personal bibliography as well, as collections of citations
> can
> >> be exported in arbitrary citation formats.
> >
> > I have already mentioned it before, but this description looks quite
> > similar to http://bibdex.org/ . Maybe we should join forces (i.e., send
> > your proposal also to Sunir Shah).
> >
> > Nemo
> >
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