I'm curious what the actual question is. The basic concepts are studied for about 60 years, and are in use for about 20 to 30 years.

https://www.elastic.co/de/blog/introducing-approximate-nearest-neighbor-sea… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/… https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Search_Platform/Contact#Office_Hours

I encourage you to reach out to the search team, they're lovely folks and even better engineers. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 1:53 PM Lars Aronsson <lars(a)aronsson.se> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/

On top of the ones mentioned, ores topic detection model <https://github.com/wikimedia/drafttopic>(the one that says what wikiproject an article belongs to, an example <https://ores.wikimedia.org/v3/scores/enwiki/?revids=1153214555>) has been using word embedding since 2018-ish. HTH Am Di., 9. Mai 2023 um 22:10 Uhr schrieb Isaac Johnson &lt;isaac(a)wikimedia.org&gt;rg>: +1 to the suggestion to connect with the Search team. Also a few more thoughts about vector / natural-language search and its relevance to Wikimedia from my perspective in Research: * The common critique of lexical / keyword-based search and why folks point to vector / embedding-based search is handling more natural-language queries (e.g., "What are the different objectives of the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals?" vs. "UN SDG"). The former has a lot of words in it that lead to keyword overlap with less-relevant pages so keyword-based search doesn't do as well. The latter is much more direct and even matches an existing redirect on Wikipedia to the article on UN Sustainable Development Goals, so our existing keyword-based search handles it very well. * Most existing users of Wikimedia's search are probably doing something closer to the latter above -- i.e. using pretty exact keywords to navigate to a specific page (or find it exists). This is backed up by the data: 80% of searches on Wikipedia are auto-completed directly to article pages <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Understanding_Search_Behavior_in_Wikipedia_-_Report_-_Bruno_Scarone.pdf#page=7>. In that sense, the system is working quite well! The Search team also has added quite a bit of normalization into the pipeline (see https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/04/28/language-harmony-and-unpacking-a-year… for a fun overview). For the more complicated natural-language queries to find relevant Wikipedia articles, my sense is that folks using natural language searches are probably doing that within external search engines, which have huge teams/infrastructure to support this, and then clicking through to Wikipedia. * That said, there are probably use-cases where natural-language search would be more valuable. For example, within new interaction domains such as chat-bots or for new editors / developers who don't yet know the exact terminology to search for but want to do generic things like get access to Toolforge or find out how to add a link to a page. I've been putting together an example of this for Wikitech for the upcoming Hackathon (details <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333853>) and others have proposed e.g., this for Project pages to help editors find answers to questions about editing (details <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T335013>). * Finally, there's a second, related aspect to this which is the size and diversity of a given document. Within the Wikipedia article namespace, documents are generally about a single, constrained topic. So the fact that lexical search systems like Elasticsearch operate at the document-level is a very good fit -- i.e. index all the keywords for a given article together. When thinking about other namespaces like Project/Help pages or Wikitech documentation, a single page can be much larger and be about far more diverse topics. This presents further challenges to finding good keyword-overlap because often the search would ideally find a very specific paragraph in a much larger document about many other things. Vector search doesn't directly solve this but in practice, folks tend to learn embeddings for smaller passages than an entire doc -- e.g., sections or even paragraphs within the section. For that reason alone, I suspect vector search will do better for namespaces outside of the article namespace on Wikipedia. Whether it's worth the cost is a separate question as it also introduces substantial new challenges in keeping the embeddings up-to-date :) Hope that helps. Best, Isaac On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 2:10 PM Dan Andreescu &lt;dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: I encourage you to reach out to the search team, they're lovely folks and even better engineers. On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 1:53 PM Lars Aronsson &lt;lars(a)aronsson.se&gt; wrote: On 2023-05-09 09:27, Thiemo Kreuz wrote: Sorry to hear that you're so negative. It's quite obvious that this is not currently used in Wikipedia, but is presented everywhere as a novelty that has not been around for 20 or 30 years. https://www.elastic.co/de/blog/introducing-approximate-nearest-neighbor-sea… > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/… https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Search_Platform/Contact#Office_Hours Thanks! This answers my question. It's particularly interesting to read the talk page to the plan. Part of the problem is that "word embedding" and "vector search" are not mentioned there, but a vector search could have found the "ML-enabled natural language search" that is mentioned. If and when this is tried, we will need to evaluate how well it works for various languages. --    Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se, user:LA2)    Linköping, Sweden _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ -- Isaac Johnson (he/him/his) -- Senior Research Scientist -- Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ -- Amir (he/him) _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list --wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email towikitech-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/

On Meta there's a list of mailing lists that mentions "wikimedia-search", but that list seems to be dead and the archive is full of spam. Another list exists, called "discovery", but not listed on Meta. https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/discovery@lists.wikimedia.org/