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Rob Church

22 Nov 2006 22 Nov '06

6 p.m.

On 22/11/06, brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org <brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org> wrote:

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+ * END USERS: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE DIRECTLY! + * + * REPEAT! + * + * DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE DIRECTLY! + * NOTHING WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU DO THAT! + * + * You can make your customizations on the wiki. + * While logged in as a sysop user, go to [[Special:Allmessages]] + * and edit the MediaWiki:* pages listed there. + * + * DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE DIRECTLY OR YOU WILL JUST BE CONFUSED!

I would be willing to put cold hard cash on it that someone is going to ignore this regardless, and I say, "ready your cluesticks" :) Rob Church

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Jay R. Ashworth

23 Nov 23 Nov

12:45 a.m.

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On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 06:00:30PM +0000, Rob Church wrote:

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On 22/11/06, brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org <brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org> wrote:

I would be willing to put cold hard cash on it that someone is going to ignore this regardless, and I say, "ready your cluesticks" :)

"Number 6... the LART" Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com Designer Baylink RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates The Things I Think '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 "That's women for you; you divorce them, and 10 years later, they stop having sex with you." -- Jennifer Crusie; _Fast_Women_

Rob Church

4:19 p.m.

New subject: [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [17860] trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php

On 23/11/06, Jay R. Ashworth <jra(a)baylink.com> wrote:

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"Number 6... the LART"

My LART is bigger than yours. Rob Church

Tim Starling

4:51 p.m.

New subject: [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [17860] trunk/phase3/languages/messages/MessagesEn.php

Rob Church wrote:

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On 22/11/06, brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org <brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org> wrote:

I would be willing to put cold hard cash on it that someone is going to ignore this regardless, and I say, "ready your cluesticks" :)

End users other than Wikimedia, you mean? We still have no way to set site-wide default messages apart from editing the messages file. The messages files still have some Wikimedia-specific text, such as the donation link and the wording of the copyright notices. No doubt there would be more such Wikimedia references if we had a way to include them without having them show up on 10,000 other sites. -- Tim Starling

Rob Church

5:02 p.m.

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On 23/11/06, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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I shall not be drawn back into arguing with Tim Starling I shall not be drawn back into arguing with Tim Starling I shall not be drawn back into arguing with Tim Starling I shall not be drawn back into arguing with Tim Starling I shall not be drawn back into arguing with Tim Starling I shall not be drawn back into arguing with Tim Starling I shall not be... Rob Church

Brion Vibber

5:55 p.m.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim Starling wrote:

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> On 22/11/06, brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org <brion(a)svn.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> + * END USERS: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE DIRECTLY!

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End users other than Wikimedia, you mean?

Yes, the message is directed at the third-party users who run straight to the PHP files to make customizations on their one-off site and then ask "why doesn't my site change when I change this file???" without checking the FAQ.

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We still have no way to set site-wide default messages apart from editing the messages file. The messages files still have some Wikimedia-specific text, such as the donation link and the wording of the copyright notices. No doubt there would be more such Wikimedia references if we had a way to include them without having them show up on 10,000 other sites.

I suspect we could have an extension-like interface for overriding the generic default messages with some site-specific defaults. That _probably_ would even work with the present extension interface. If we're clever, we could also make something editable, probably, with appropriate shared caching. (Attention: clever people! Try your hand and become famous. :) - -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Edward Z. Yang

7:55 p.m.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brion Vibber wrote:

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I'd like to ask for clarification, then. Is the issue about actual messages floating around that shouldn't be there for external wikis? Or simply the fact that if the language file was made totally install neutral, there'd have to be a lot of work to get the messages in-line with Wikimedia's policies (an in-house tool)? Are we talking about a mass MediaWiki message editing tool? Brion, the signature attached to that last posting wasn't valid.

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Brion Vibber

8:51 p.m.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Edward Z. Yang wrote:

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Brion Vibber wrote:

I suspect we could have an extension-like interface for overriding the generic default messages with some site-specific defaults. That _probably_ would even work with the present extension interface.

If we're clever, we could also make something editable, probably, with appropriate shared caching.

(Attention: clever people! Try your hand and become famous. :)

Right.

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Are we talking about a mass MediaWiki message editing tool?

Sure, why not?

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Brion, the signature attached to that last posting wasn't valid.

Enigmail+GPG says it is. - -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Edward Z. Yang

24 Nov 24 Nov

2:47 a.m.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Brion Vibber wrote:

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Are we talking about a mass MediaWiki message editing tool?

Sure, why not?

I'll see what I can do, then. Hmm... article editing code is notoriously messy though...

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Alphax (Wikipedia email)

2:25 a.m.

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Edward Z. Yang wrote:

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Brion Vibber wrote:

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Brion, the signature attached to that last posting wasn't valid.

It was for me... -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

Edward Z. Yang

2:47 a.m.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alphax (Wikipedia email) wrote:

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Edward Z. Yang wrote:

Brion Vibber wrote:

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Brion, the signature attached to that last posting wasn't valid.

It was for me...

Here's the attached message I recieved. Maybe something is mangled?

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim Starling wrote:

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> On 22/11/06, brion-Y8jq7F6rJ48dvk2hry9Ukdi2O/JbrIOy(a)public.gmane.org <brion-Y8jq7F6rJ48dvk2hry9Ukdi2O/JbrIOy(a)public.gmane.org> wrote: >> + * END USERS: DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE DIRECTLY!

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End users other than Wikimedia, you mean?

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Alphax (Wikipedia email)

3:20 a.m.

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Edward Z. Yang wrote:

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Alphax (Wikipedia email) wrote:

Edward Z. Yang wrote:

Brion Vibber wrote:

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Brion, the signature attached to that last posting wasn't valid.

It was for me...

Here's the attached message I recieved. Maybe something is mangled?

Yep, the email address had been replaced by a gmane message ID. -- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP

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