On 11/12/11 6:50 PM, Platonides wrote:
On 12/11/11 15:11, William Allen Simpson wrote:
There are a number of obvious technical issues.
YouTube and others
have had to handle this, it's time for us.
1) DMCA doesn't require a takedown until there's been a complaint. We
really shouldn't allow deletion until there's been an actual complaint.
We need technical means for recording official notices and appeals.
Informal opinions of ill-informed volunteers aren't helpful.
We have higher standards than that.
Apparently not, as they weren't followed -- by two administrators whose
Talk have other examples of similar misbehavior.
The standard should be an actual complaint by a copyright holder. Not a
notice by some administrator trolling for supposed violations.
2) Fast
scripting and insufficient notice lead to flapping of images,
and confusion by the owners of the documents (and the editors of
articles, as 2 days is much *much* too short for most of us). We need
something to enforce review times.
Yes, deleting on 2 days was too fast, given that you had concerns over
it. That's also the reason it was restored by Odder :)
Serendipitously after I complained here and on other lists.
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4) We really
don't have a method to "prove" that a username is actually
under control of the public figure. Hard to do. Needs discussion.
We have OTRS
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS
Which isn't referenced in the deletion notice, deletion discussion,
Commons:Deletion requests (above the discussion), Commons:Deletion
policy, nor much of anything else.
And doesn't actually prove any more than posting the license on the
photo in the first place. It's for folks granting a license *after*
somebody else posts the photo....
That's the description in its own documentation.
5) We probably
could use some kind of comparison utility to help
confirm/deny a photo or article is derived from another source.
That's not a problem in this case, as the photo /was/ in facebook. The
problem was identifying the prior one.
No, a *similar* (smaller) photo was on facebook. But the reference in
commons wasn't to the photo, it was merely her own facebook page. That
triggered something in the script/search that Yann used.
I'm sure he didn't find the similar photo, as it was no longer
visible. He'd have had to search back 63 wall photos (I just
checked). It took me over 10 minutes to find, and I knew it was
there somewhere.
Yet we know he didn't spend 10 minutes, because he posted several
deletion pages per minute:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/2…
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