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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Subpage titles (Remember the dot)
2. Re: Anchors haven't id attribute (Platonides)
3. Re: Separating section anchors from other IDs (was: Anchors
haven't id attribute) (Charlotte Webb)
4. Re: Subpage titles (Aryeh Gregor)
5. Re: Subpage titles (Platonides)
6. Re: Separating section anchors from other IDs (was: Anchors
haven't id attribute) (Aryeh Gregor)
7. Re: Subpage titles (Aryeh Gregor)
8. Re: Subpage titles (Michael J. Walsh)
9. Re: Subpage titles (Aryeh Gregor)
10. Re: Subpage titles (Ilmari Karonen)
11. Re: Subpage titles (Daniel Friesen)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:45:55 -0700
From: "Remember the dot" <rememberthedot(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Soxred93 <soxred93(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully, if the new DISPLAYTITLE functionality
goes into effect,
the effect of this can be done.
What new DISPLAYTITLE functionality? Is this separate from
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12998 ?
--
Remember the dot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Remember_the_dot
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:23:09 +0100
From: Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Anchors haven't id attribute
To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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Aryeh Gregor wrote:
the idea
of "broken code must render anyway"
is riped. It must die, a painfull dead, because is the father and
mother of the tag soup, that is more vile than the Borg and Microsoft
*combined*
Browser vendors are not willing to remove support for it, because it
would break old websites. HTML5 says broken code is invalid, but aims
to standardize in great detail how browsers should render it anyway,
instead of demanding (impractically) that they throw up their arms and
die like XHTML insists on. A "feature" of XHTML that practically
everyone skips in practice by serving it as text/html.
Even if you want to use it, "some browsers" don't support it so you end
with ugly user-agent sniffing hacks.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:17:17 -0600
From: "Charlotte Webb" <charlottethewebb(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating section anchors from other IDs
(was: Anchors haven't id attribute)
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On 12/28/08, Aryeh Gregor <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Now, how about figuring out how to get
manually-specified id's like
<span id="foo"> to be unique? :)
Could just number them sequentially like we do the section headings.
...or try to convince the creators of id="stub" templates that there's
something wrong with giving them all the same id (good luck with that,
they wouldn't listen to me).
?C.W.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:30:24 -0500
From: "Aryeh Gregor" <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:59 PM, K. Peachey <p858snake(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe have a little button in the right/opposite
corner that you click
and uses js magic to copy it to the clipboard maybe?
That's just not intuitive. People are going to try copying it and it
won't work.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Friesen <dan_the_man(a)telus.net> wrote:
Traditionally in cases where the title does not
actually depict the
title itself properly I believe the idea has been to add some sort of
"Full title: ..." to the subtitle.
This is ugly and confusing, and people still are going to try copying
it directly and it won't work.
I think that 301ing pages with " ? " in their title to pages with "/"
is the best way here, for Wikisource and other projects that want
prettier subpage display for deeply nested subpages (probably not for
Wikipedia, although you can make an argument for consistency).
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:33:10 +0100
From: Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:59 PM, K. Peachey
<p858snake(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Maybe have a little button in the right/opposite
corner that you click
and uses js magic to copy it to the clipboard maybe?
That's just not intuitive. People are going to try copying it and it
won't work.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Daniel Friesen <dan_the_man(a)telus.net> wrote:
Traditionally in cases where the title does not
actually depict the
title itself properly I believe the idea has been to add some sort of
"Full title: ..." to the subtitle.
This is ugly and confusing, and people still are going to try copying
it directly and it won't work.
I think that 301ing pages with " ? " in their title to pages with
"/"
is the best way here, for Wikisource and other projects that want
prettier subpage display for deeply nested subpages (probably not for
Wikipedia, although you can make an argument for consistency).
What about providing " ? " as a image with alt="/" ?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:09:52 -0500
From: "Aryeh Gregor" <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Separating section anchors from other IDs
(was: Anchors haven't id attribute)
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Charlotte Webb
<charlottethewebb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Could just number them sequentially like we do
the section headings.
Alternatively, we could strip them and add an HTML comment -- we need
to have some id for the extra section headings, because we need to
link to them automatically, but that seems to be of dubious benefit
for user-supplied id's. If they're using them for anything, their use
(e.g., CSS rule, getElementById()) will almost certainly fail if we
modify the id in any way, so no point in keeping it at all.
...or try to convince the creators of
id="stub" templates that there's
something wrong with giving them all the same id (good luck with that,
they wouldn't listen to me).
Well, if we wanted to, telling them "in one week it will stop working"
should do it. Or just having a sysop there do it unilaterally with
that as edit summary. I don't know if we want to, though. It would
be disruptive for questionable benefit. As I said, if we do this we'd
have to do a dry run for a while and only log conflicts, and deal with
all the major problem-causers before enabling it for real.
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:13:40 -0500
From: "Aryeh Gregor" <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com> wrote:
What about providing " ? " as a image
with alt="/" ?
1) That's just horribly ugly when the other solution would be simple enough.
2) Can we rely on the fact that images are copy-pasted as their alt
text in all browsers?
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:01:19 +0000
From: "Michael J. Walsh" <michaelj.walsh(a)oceanfree.net>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Message-ID: <868228FD-778C-487F-B86F-CD7C8D741BAC(a)oceanfree.net>
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On 30 Dec 2008, at 22:13, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Platonides <Platonides(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
What about providing " ? " as a
image with alt="/" ?
>
> 1) That's just horribly ugly when the other solution would be
> simple enough.
>
> 2) Can we rely on the fact that images are copy-pasted as their alt
> text in all browsers
What about programming the software to replace " ? " in links with
"/" before submitting to the database or previewing the page.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:46:33 -0500
From: "Aryeh Gregor" <Simetrical+wikilist(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Michael J. Walsh
<michaelj.walsh(a)oceanfree.net> wrote:
What about programming the software to replace
" ? " in links with
"/" before submitting to the database or previewing the page.
More pre-save transforms? We should probably be reducing the number,
not increasing them. This one has more merit than pipe tricks,
though. It's a possibility. It would probably be simpler to do the
301, though.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:03:18 +0200
From: Ilmari Karonen <nospam(a)vyznev.net>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
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Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Michael J.
Walsh
<michaelj.walsh(a)oceanfree.net> wrote:
What about programming the software to replace
" ? " in links with
"/" before submitting to the database or previewing the page.
More pre-save transforms? We should probably be reducing the number,
not increasing them. This one has more merit than pipe tricks,
though. It's a possibility. It would probably be simpler to do the
301, though.
If not a PST, it would pretty much have to be done in title
normalization. For one thing, we'd need it for link existence checks.
But I have a simpler suggestion: why not display the title just like we
do now, but use CSS to add some padding around the slashes and to render
everything up to the last slash in smaller font on a separate line?
Should be easy enough to do with just a couple of simple <span> tags,
and be perfectly cut-and-pasteable. Granted, it means sticking with "/"
as the delimiter instead of "?", but I wouldn't think that'd be a
blocking issue.
--
Ilmari Karonen
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:32:28 -0800
From: Daniel Friesen <dan_the_man(a)telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Subpage titles
To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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Back on the image note..... Why alt? it doesn't have to be alt, a
background image should be suitable.
Break up a title by / wrap each section in a span and place proper
padding on them -- ;) if you want to do something real nice, turn
everything but the last portion into a link -- and replace every / by a
span containing / with display: none; and followed by an empty span with
a background image.
~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire)
~Profile/Portfolio:
http://nadir-seen-fire.com
-The Nadir-Point Group (
http://nadir-point.com)
--It's Wiki-Tools subgroup (
http://wiki-tools.com)
--The ElectronicMe project (
http://electronic-me.org)
-Wikia ACG on
Wikia.com (
http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG)
--Animepedia (
http://anime.wikia.com)
--Narutopedia (
http://naruto.wikia.com)
Ilmari Karonen wrote:
Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Michael J.
Walsh
<michaelj.walsh(a)oceanfree.net> wrote:
What about programming the software to replace
" ? " in links with
"/" before submitting to the database or previewing the page.
More pre-save transforms? We should probably be reducing the number,
not increasing them. This one has more merit than pipe tricks,
though. It's a possibility. It would probably be simpler to do the
301, though.
If not a PST, it would pretty much have to be done in title
normalization. For one thing, we'd need it for link existence checks.
But I have a simpler suggestion: why not display the title just like we
do now, but use CSS to add some padding around the slashes and to render
everything up to the last slash in smaller font on a separate line?
Should be easy enough to do with just a couple of simple <span> tags,
and be perfectly cut-and-pasteable. Granted, it means sticking with "/"
as the delimiter instead of "?", but I wouldn't think that'd be a
blocking issue.
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