There's a pile of minor open source browsers too ... maybe redirect to a
page with a list.
- d.
On 31 August 2017 at 22:48, Neil Patel Quinn <nquinn(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Personally (because I have no expertise in thing kind
of thing in my WMF
capacity), I'd very much support this. It *would *be showing a bias towards
Mozilla and Firefox, but I think it's entirely reasonable for us to be
biased towards non-profit, open technology. A web with Firefox as a strong
player is considerably more hospitable to us than one without.
I agree this should be discussed in a wider forum like on Meta, but I look
forward to supporting it there too :)
On 31 August 2017 at 14:20, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 31 August 2017 at 21:37, bawolff
<bawolff+wn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Legoktm
<legoktm.wikipedia(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> This was something that came up during "The Big Open" at Wikimania,
when
>> Katherine Maher talked with Ryan Merkley
(CEO of Creative Commons) and
>> Mark Surman (ED of Mozilla Foundation). One of the themes mentioned
was
>> that our projects need to work together
and support each other.
>>
>> In that vein, I'm interested in what people think about promoting
>> Firefox to users who are using legacy browsers that we don't support
at
>> Grade A (or some other criteria). As
part of the "drop IE8 on XP"
>> project[1] we're already promoting Firefox as the alternative option.
I
> was
imagining it could be a small and unobtrusive bubble
> notification[2], similar to those that Google pushes Chrome on people
with.
>>
>> If users use modern browsers, they're going to have better security
>> support, and most likely a better experience browsing Wikimedia sites
>> too. We'd be improving the web by reducing legacy browsers, and
allowing
>> us to move forward with newer technology
sooner (ideally).
>>
>> And we'd be supporting a project that is ideologically aligned with
us:
Mozilla.
Thoughts, opinions?
[1]
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T147199
[2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bubble_notifications
Thanks,
-- Legoktm
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I'm concerned this would be seen as an inapropriate bias.
Suggesting Firefox for IE8 on XP makes sense because it is basically
the only option for that platform that is reasonably secure and not
super obscure. Promoting firefox is general for legacy browsers seems
like a slippery slope to me.
Additionally, I think this is more a political than a technical
decision, and one that would require consultation with the general
Wikimedia community (e.g. Meta RFC).
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+1 on appearing to be a slippery slope and benefiting from wider,
political, discussion.
I've promoted Wikimedia and projects as being deliberately agnostic.
Strategically, locking Wikimedia into fixed relationships with other
organizations with their own drives and timelines, is going to
increase risks downstream.
Fae
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