An UI showing both edit links all the time is a much better way to do
it. I had the same discussion 20 years ago and as far as I know
nothing has changed when it comes to hidden user interactions that
suddenly (and with no explanation) changes the interaction and takes
the user with surprise. Sorry but the UI as it is now in this regard
is a complete failure. Looks cool but is BAD.
I would suggest that interaction intense actions like this in the
future should be implemented without fancy animations, hidden
information and changing interactions.
Another thing is that the community asks for some way to turn this
off, while WMF that is supposed to support the community goes against
the community. That is really BAD. If there are no real reasons to not
support what the community asks for, then WMF should have a really
really REALLY good reason for why t goes against the community. This
should not be a discussion about technical feasibility, it should be a
discussion about what the community wants.
I suggest that WMFs technical staff starts to listen more to the
community in this kind of matters, they are the one that are going to
use the features anyhow. The ongoing discussion now only alienates WMF
from the community
There are good reasons why users want to turn off VE and the most
important reason are not what most people in the thread seems to
think. Users that have learned to use a crappy direct editing user
interface tend to be faster on using that interface than more modern
WYSIWYG editors. I tried to make a few test edits whit carefully
planned actions and I could not edit as fast with VE as with the old
crappy edit page. I think this is quite common. When editors tries to
edit with the new editor they experience this and gets the feeling
that VE itself is sluggish, but the real reason is that the user
interactions slows down. The difference in editing speed i visible
even at ordinary text with only minor wikicode, but as the amount of
wikicode increases the diference grows.
I suggest that VE might be the first editing interface for new users,
but experienced users should be able to chose the editing interface
they are most comfortable with, not to say the one where they edit the
fastest.
I think it would be sufficient to remove the animation from the edit
bar, but for users that refuses to use VE completely it could be wise
to provide an option for remove the links, otherwise this kind of
functionality will be provided as a gadget.
jeblad
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Bartosz DziewoĆski
<matma.rex(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 07:35:02 +0200, Steven Walling
<steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This interaction was committed by a volunteer not
on the VE team.[1][2]
Ideally,VE would be good enough that we wouldn't need edit source links on
sections at all. Personally I advocated for not including them by any
method. However, people felt that it was important to give users a choice
on section edit links, and that as opposed to a dropdown or simply
displaying both links statically, using a progressive display was the more
elegant way of showing both options. MatmaRex could not have been clearer
about this on the patch.
1.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49666
2.
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/69984/
Not true; the patch was rewritten by Trevor, and he's marked as the author.
My version was showing both of the links all the time, with no animations,
and I still think it's a better solution.
--
Matma Rex
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