My apologies for the ham handed email. I'm supportive of the opt out feature while ve
is in beta. Going forward I agree with the notion that experienced editors know what
editor they want to use before the page completely loads. I like the idea of a preference
to select a default editor.
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Rob Moen <rmoen(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
I personally know for a fact nobody is trying to trick
the user in this case. We are simply trying to make editing easier for new editors
without confusing them. As a membwr f the visual editor team, I'm supportive of our
advanced and seemingly more important editors opt-out during the beta.
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 21:23, Tim Starling
<tstarling@wikimedia.org="mailto:tstarling@wikimedia.org">> wrote:
On 23/07/13 04:36, Erik Moeller wrote:
1) Section editing behavior - the hybrid link
display is mildly
annoying, and doesn't work for touch interfaces;
I think it's a bit more
than mildly annoying, and I think it's the
main reason users are so desperate to disable VE completely instead of
simply not clicking on it.
Consider it from a cognitive point of view:
Half the time (e.g. on talk pages), the section edit link will go to
the old edit page, and the other half, it will flash an "edit source"
link at you for the 100ms or so it takes to stabilise the cursor
position and execute a mouse click, and then it will launch the visual
editor. Often, the user is punished for clicking on the wrong link by
having their browser lock up for 15 seconds.
Habit formation is cleverly avoided by changing the function of the
link depending on what namespace you are on.
I know that this crafty UI was introduced to encourage users to use
the new editor. The trouble is, this assumes that users have no idea
which editor they want to use, and thus will happily use whatever
editor the JS can trick them into clicking. But, I suspect, most users
have decided which editor they want to use before they start moving
their mouse.
I think users should be encouraged to use VE by making VE really
awesome, and by promoting its awesomeness, rather than by trying to
trick them into using it.
-- Tim Starling
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