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Syagrius

13 Oct 2009 13 Oct '09

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Cecil

13 Oct 13 Oct

11:12 p.m.

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Syagrius, could you please explain why this would be "irrespectuous toward other wikisources" when we mark them as part of a 'finished' project? Cecil 2009/10/13 Syagrius <syagrius(a)gmx.fr>

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Your example ( http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Seite:Der_Stechlin_%28Fontane%29_519.jpg<h…)9.jpg>), Tosca, is confirming my point. If people don't want to correct this page (I understand why, and I guess there are the same on others wikisources), it should be tagged as "Without text" (meaning in this case : without text related to the book). But in no way it could be tagged as "Validated", as no contributor gave any effort on this ! This is very irrespectuous toward other wikisources that apply the "Without text" system. If you don't like the name "Without text" or think it's not appropriate, then de.ws could change it ; but the principle is right. Syagrius ----- Message d'origine ----- De : Dominique Guigas Envoyés : 12.10.09 18:05 À : discussion list for Wikisource, the free library Objet : Re: [Wikisource-l] Proofreading 2009/10/12 Syagrius <syagrius(a)gmx.fr <#1244ec1c043d389f_>>

"Without text" is for the pages that are "Without text". Dot. I don't understand where you see a problem. Every page with some text (even if it is only one line) should be proofread, and every empty pages (like this one : http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Seite:De_Zerstreute_Bl%C3%A4tter_IV_(Herder)_…) should not. It is very simple to operate a bot to transform these pages (marked as "*WS: Diese Seite ist ohne Eintragungen") *into "Without text", exactly as en.ws<http://mail-eu.gmx.com/fm07/cgi/derefer?TYPE=2&DEST=http%3A%2F… fr.ws<http://mail-eu.gmx.com/fm07/cgi/derefer?TYPE=2&DEST=http%3A%2F….ws>did. It is just a matter of equity and respect.

Well, things aren't that simple. For example: http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Seite:Der_Stechlin_%28Fontane%29_519.jpg<h… This is an advertisement at the end of a novel for other works from the same author. Transcribing and proofreading it would be as waste of time, as it is no integral part of the novel. Tosca _______________________________________________ Wikisource-l mailing list Wikisource-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l

John Vandenberg

14 Oct 14 Oct

12:03 a.m.

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Cecil <cecilatwp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Syagrius, could you please explain why this would be "irrespectuous toward other wikisources" when we mark them as part of a 'finished' project?

It is not a part of the same work. Advertisements are a _different_ work, and it has not been transcribed. It should be marked as a incomplete. Advertisements are also sources.... http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Advertisements :-) -- John Vandenberg

Ray Saintonge

4:58 p.m.

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Syagrius wrote:

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If people don't want to correct this page (I understand why, and I guess there are the same on others wikisources), it should be tagged as "Without text" (meaning in this case : without text related to the book). But in no way it could be tagged as "Validated", as no contributor gave any effort on this ! This is very irrespectuous toward other wikisources that apply the "Without text" system. If you don't like the name "Without text" or think it's not appropriate, then de.ws could change it ; but the principle is right.

I interpret "without text" as meaning completely blank. If the page contains ads or other material put in there by the publisher it should be noted, even if it serves no purpose to reproduce the material. Material that was added after publication, and is specific to that copy, could be treated differently. If it once belonged to a famous writer who made notes within the book, that would be important information that should be noted. Ec

ThomasV

5:44 p.m.

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The proofreading level 0, named "without text" at en.ws, has been added for pages that do not require double proofreading, as an aid to speedup proofreading. It just means "hi guys, you don't need to check this page after me". it is a terminal state (like level 4), which means that the state of the page is not supposed to be changed anymore. It is up to the community to decide whether this should apply only to blank pages, or also to pages with very short titles, or images, etc. The state can be renamed differently if the community finds that "without text" is misleading. Thomas

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