Thank you very much for explanations.
I fully agree your long term view and hope we will be able to reach it a
day.
But I still don't understand why the vote for "stewards" occurs before the
community decide theirs roles? If you really need temporary "stewards" to
remove developers "power" as soon as possible, so create temporary rules (we
can change it after). Personally I can't vote without knowing witch skill
will be required for "stewards".
Aoineko
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Starling" <ts4294967296(a)hotmail.com>
To: <wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:51 AM
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Please clarify the honorary administrator status
Guillaume Blanchard wrote:
Before voting to our honorary administrators
(also called steward,
super-admin, etc.) I like someone (Tim?) clarify the role of this new
status.
Let's call it "steward" for now.
First, what is the goal:
- Manage new Wikipedia where there are no administrators?
- Become a new level over bureaucrats for all Wikipedia?
- Something else?
Since my goal has been to disavow developer power in favour of
democracy, I'd prefer not to dictate the rules under which stewards will
operate. This should be a decision made by the community, or by Jimbo.
However as I've said on meta, my preference is that the users of each
wiki administer their own wiki, except in the case of very small wikis.
For the moment, bureaucrats cannot desysop, so stewards will have to
evaluate community consensus and decide whether to desysop. This is the
role formerly assigned to people with shell access.
What specific feature will they have:
- Same as bureaucrat, but Wikimedia wide?
- More than bureaucrat (for example only HA may be able to remove admini
status, or give bot status)?
- Something else?
Currently they have more abilities than bureaucrats. They can grant or
revoke any level of access. Currently bureaucrats can only grant
bureaucrat or admin status.
Additional features may be implemented depending on community sentiment.
Ultimately I would like to see stewards capable of configuring the power
structure on each wiki individually, or to allow some subset of local
users to set their own power structure. For example on request from the
Korean wikipedians, a steward might delete the bureaucrat level from ko
and allow sysops to create and demote other sysops. Or, the English
Wikipedia community may request that bureaucrats be given the ability to
determine the set of operations which sysops can perform.
I expect steward rights to be maximally unrestricted, analogous to root
access on a Unix operating system. However it's possible that some users
will have virtually unrestricted rights locally. It all depends on what
people want.
-- Tim Starling
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