You know what,
I think everything one says is a POV.
Yes, and on Wikipedia, people try to work together to make it more
neutral. However, Pavel was not open to that.
This is why Moldovan Wikipedia ought to be deleted. It can never be a
*neutral* place. It is from the very start of it a POV. And Pavel, he is
just one of the Moldovans and Romanians that strongly disagree to its
existence. He is just showing his feelings more than others.
Well, what's the point of keeping mo., if
it's just like ro. ?
Please re-read that paragraph again. It wasn't just like ro.wiki until
Pavel moved pages and replaced their contents...
It is not Pavel to be blamed for the similarity of mo.wiki and ro.wiki.
Taking into consideration that it is the same language on both Wikipedias,
and that the are a lot of mo.wiki contents that are mere transliterations
from ro.wiki - very bad transliterations, by the way -, the questions stays:
"what's the point of keeping mo.?". Even if you do not have much knowledge
in Romanian or Moldovan, you can convince
yourself of the similarity of the articles:
http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Гречия and
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecia. This is not by far a
singular example. I found it with the help of
http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random.
Furthermore, this mo.wiki is full of errors and mistakes. It is really awful
to read its pages. And this is due to the fact that most of the
contributions and the two by far biggest contributors (Russ with 208 edits
and Node_ue with 185, while the total number of articles is 360 on Dec 10,
2005 ) are made by people that do not know the Romanian language. The
biggest Moldovan contributor on mo.wiki - to my knowledge - is Dmitriid [
http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dmitriid], with a total of 10
contributions [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wikistats/EN/TablesWikipediaMO.htm].
And even he is a native Russian speaker and knows Romanian at an
intermediate level. This a place of high low-quality content.
My point is: Moldovan Wikipedia is disastrous at the moment and has no
future.
Romanians are not foreigners on the Moldovan
Wikipedia!
Ro.wikipedians are. Romanians who are established mo.wikipedians, like
Ronline, are not "foreigners". But most -- Bogdan, AdiJapan, Bonaparte
-- are foreigners.
Read the previous messages. Any Romanian is directly concerned by
mo.wikipedia and has all the right not to be considered as foreigner there.
And it's going to be this way as long as people
are uninformed by such
pages
as
mo.wikipedia.org! All the people should know
that: There is no
Moldovan/Moldavian/Moldoveneasca Language!
About half of the native speakers of Limba Noastra in Rep. Moldova
disagree with you. They consider they speak "limba moldoveneasca". If
it was open-and-shut, there would be no controversy about language in
R.Moldova, people would just accept the so-called "fact" you just
said. But it's not 100% clear-cut, it's not obvious one way or the
other. Different people came to different conclusions, splitting the
country ideologically, and the government considers it "limba
moldoveneasca". We can't just say on Wikipedia, "there is no Moldovan
language", because it is _not neutral_ -- millions disagree.
Now, please take a look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova#Demographics
, especially at the correctness of the 2004 census: "About 2004 census".
Now, about my already beloved Moldovan language. One may consider Moldovan
from three points of view:
First of all this is the the name given by the Moldovan Constitution to the
Romanian language. I have also found a nice example here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldova#Comparison_with_Romanian
.
[Article 13, The National Language, Use of Other Languages
(1) The national language of the Republic of Moldova is Moldovan, and its
writing is based on the Latin alphabet.]
Secondly, this is the name of the dialect spoken in Moldova, that is a badly
*spoken *Romanian. The written part stays identical to Romanian (minor,
minor differences; far less that American and British English) and is more
appropriate to the previous paragraph. It is better developed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan.
Thirdly, this is the name for the Romanian language written in a Cyrillic
script. More detailed information about this script [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_alphabet]: "The Moldovan alphabet is a
Cyrillic alphabet derived from the Russian alphabet and developed for the
Romanian/Moldovan language in the Soviet Union in the 1930s. It was the
official script in Moldavian ASSR and between 1940 and 1989 in the Moldavian
SSR and still is the official and the only accepted alphabet in
Transnistria." You may notice that Cyrillic Romanian/Moldovan was always *
imposed* in Moldova beginning with stalinist time and continuing today in
Transnistria. That is, Moldovans were not and are not enthusiastic, the
least to say, on the use of the Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet. One could find
more information on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language#Artificial_evolution_of_Roma…
. However, please notice that this page as well as some other Moldova
related pages are *currently protected* and, consequently, their contents
are disputed.
I am saying this as a person who has lived all his
life in Moldova, who
speaks Romanian and Russian fluently and who
knows much about the
history of
his nation's language and traditions.
...do you know of Grigore Ureche? In his Chronicles of the Moldovan
Nation (letopisetul tarii moldovei), he has a chapter titled "about
our Moldovan language" (pentru limba noastra moldoveneasca). He wrote
his Chronicles in Cyrillic. He was not under Soviet time -- on the
contrary, he was an early Moldovan patriot who wrote a lot of valuable
material about his country. And this was before Russia annexed
Bessarabia.
And Node, do you know of Grigore Ureche? Ever read what he wrote? And how in
the earth did you make him a Moldovan patriot (as in opposition to Romanian
nationalism, I guess). Take a nice look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigore_Ureche. In his chapter titled *about**
**our Moldovan language,* "Ureche asserted that the Moldavian language was
the same language as Wallachian and that Moldavians, Wallachians, and
Transylvanians, were of the same ethnicity. [...] which would eventually
lead to the rise of 18th century Romanian nationalism." Alternatively,
please read
http://www.scriptorium.ro/carti/grigore_ureche/grigore_ureche-letopisetul_t…
.
OK. So if anyone got to this line: congratulations!
--
Liviu