Maury Markowitz wrote:
> Well color me sceptical. Many of the problems you mention on the web page
> seem inherant to any large group of humans. I don't see how changing the
> rules can, of itself, address the fact that we all have opinions and we all
> consider them to be important. As this appears to be a major concern of the
> proposal, let me address this directly...
>
> "Pleasantness and respectfulness will be effectively enforced on
Wikipendium"
>
> The concepts of "pleasantness" and "respectfulness" are very much
open to
> interpretation - and thus opinion. How are we to decide if a comment is
> simply a poke-in-the-ribs for fun, or a seriously nasty note? This is often
> difficult in "real life", let alone the limited bandwidth of a text based
> media.
>
> Perhaps it's just me, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that there
> can be a set of rules that can address this. Instead, it seems that a
> flexible case-by-case basis with many viewpoints is the only way to ensure
> that one person's view, the "constables" as you call them, doesn't
become
> overarching. I believe the system on the Wikipedia had demonstrated itself to
> be workable beyond my own belief.
>
> A word of advice: I had a friend who ran a very successful MUD about a decade
> ago. It was created out of the ashes of another MUD with rules very much like
> what you are proposing. This first attempt died a hasty death. Their second
> attempt was a free-for-all with self-policing by the members. It ran for
> years.
>
> I don't want to sound like a downer, but in my limited experience, more rules
> generally makes things worse, not better. Generally the rules themselves
> become the points of argument. You can certainly see this on the Wikipedia,
> and I have argued on several occasions for re-writing some of them to be
> based more on common sense and less on the letter of the law.
on 7/4/08 1:03 PM, Ray Saintonge at saintonge(a)telus.net wrote:
I very much agree with this analysis. It is hard to
conceive that a
saviour will come along and lead the true-believers to the promised
land. They will be lucky to find that peace in the promised land lasts
as long as five minutes. The underlying ideals are a common thread in
many such religious or political movements. Most of these devolve into
either tyranny or ineffectuality.
Rule-making too often dwells on the relatively rare extreme cases.
Devoting our efforts constructively to what kind of a project we want is
a lot more fruitful than wasting a lot of time arguing about what to do
with the occasional saboteur. It's easy for the builder to see these
detailed rules as a threat to fundamental freedoms. It is too easy for
these rules to be trotted out in situations that were not imagined when
they were written.
Ec
What would be required then, Ray, would be a whole new, fresh and very
creative approach. Besides, for us here in the Colonies, this is our
Independence Day! :-).
Marc