At 03:55 AM 9/5/02 -0700, you wrote:
Gareth Owen wrote:
>
> "Michael R. Irwin" <mri_icboise(a)surfbest.net> writes:
>
> > Jimmy Wales wrote:
> > >
> > > But, the Holocaust was undeserved. That's as uncontroversial a fact
as
> > > "The Earth goes around the Sun".
> >
> > Only if one considers a major World War beneath notice. To me that
seems
a
> > bit controversial if one is presenting an
NPOV as a neutral reporter.
>
> Excuse me, but perhaps you could enlighten me as to in what way the
holocaust
was deserved?
I do not think that I have asserted that it was deserved, merely
that many people were involved in helping create it. Presumably
they believed it was deserved. It has been my experience that
few people consider themselves the villians or perpetrators of
injustice. It is usually the view of one faction that it is
the other side's fault and vice versa.
Thus it has been my assertion that at least some of the Germans
responsible for it (the Holocaust) probably felt it was deserved
and this (and reasons they provide regarding why they felt it
was deserved) could be reliably reported within the confines of
an "NPOV" presentation of the facts surrounding the holocaust.
We have done that. The reasoning is set forth (probably more fully than
necessary) in the article on [[Nazism]].
What the discussion is about is nonsense about Zionism "causing" the
holocaust and other historical revisionist, neo-nazi crap.
Likewise maybe we will have an article on Stalin that sets forth his
reasons, but neutral point of view isn't going to require an article on
Trotskyite Wreckers and how wide spread sabotage lead to necessary
elimination of the perpetrators.
I have changed the name of the article because this is not Helga talking,
her issue or her position, as far as I know.
Fred