Continuing a thread from some time back:
Is it possible to get back the earlier discussion from this page
prior to it being shifted?
(The page was earlier called Journalist Richard Gutjahr)
After the name was changed, the earlier discussion is not easily
accessible, or someone visiting a page would not get an idea of what was
said about it.
I'm concerned that there might be some systemic flaw with the way the
Wikipedia works here.
Any change of name in a page could result in the loss of all the earlier
discussion, or make it difficult to find. Even if it's very relevant to the
page as currently renamed.
Please note, that this page has since got a "may not meet Wikipedia
notability guidelines" tag, which I think could be a sign of things going
wrong due to a flaw in how the software works.... and the fact that the
earlier discussion is not easily accessible now.
FN
On 23 December 2016 at 20:25, Ben Salvidrim <benoit_landry(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Redirecting" an article normally means
editing the article to replace its
content with "#REDIRECT [[Target]]". It shouldn't affect the talk page
whatsoever.
What might be confusing is that, for example, if you redirect [[Foo]] to
[[Bar]] (by editing [[Foo]]'s content to be "#REDIRECT [[Bar]]"), by
afterwards navigating to the [[Foo]] page you are automatically redirected
to [[Bar]] (that's the whole point), which means the "Talk" tab at the top
will lead to [[Talk:Bar]]. The talk page for [[Foo]] is still at
[[Talk:Foo]] but to access it, you will need to either navigate to it
directly, or if you go to [[Foo]] and it loads [[Bar]], you should have a
note under the page header that says "(Redirected from [[Foo]])", where you
can click on the link to [[Foo]] and thus load the [[Foo]] page without
being redirected, and then the "Talk" tab will lead to [[Talk:Foo]].
Hopefully that makes sense! If you tell us exactly what page you're
talking about we'll be able to help you more precisely.
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Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page....
This happened with me once. I redirected a page (for entirely legitimate
reasons), and to my surprise and horror found that the 'Talk' page
accompanying it had more or less vanished, and could not longer be easily
accessed. Maybe it was still available somewhere, but it was not easy to
find, nor was it linked to the main entry of the page.
My intention in this case was not to hide the Talk page (since it had some
valuable discussion, and multiple points of view on it).
It just struck me that if there was some controversial content, the best
way anyone wanting to block or censor it (the Talk page) would be to
redirect a page!
My question: (i) are the earlier talk pages easily find-able after a page
has been redirected elsewhere? (ii) is there some way they can be made
prominent, so that the earlier discussion is also available for the record?
Thanks and regards,
Frederick.
On 22 December 2016 at 21:15, Ben Salvidrim <benoit_landry(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
If you tell us what page you’re talking about
Frederick, we might be
able to help you locate the talk page you can’t find. ☺
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Ynhockey
Sent: 22 déc. 2016 10:25
To: Wikipedia mailing list <wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page....
The person who moves the page can specify whether the talk page moves
with it, so either it moves with the actual page, or stays behind with
the old title. In any case it isn't deleted.
—Yan (User:Ynhockey).
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक
नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <fredericknoronha(a)gmail.com<mailtomailto:
fredericknoronha(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
Is this a bug or is it a feature?
Just wanted to know what happens to the
'talk' section of a
Wikipedia
entry once (or if) a page gets shifted.
I noticed that the earlier discussions (that
might have come up via
the
Talk) just disappears.
Now, this isn't very helpful. Because all the
earlier talk seems to
be
> untraceable, and there is a complete vacuum about what was said
earlier.
If anyone wishes, this system can be abused (for
instance, to cover
earlier discussions... by simply changing the
title of the page).
Am I missing something here?
FN
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