Dear Bala,
>
we dont want "kids", who will
"mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas"
here. We want atleast semi competent, interested people who can act
responsibly.
*All I can say is that *EVERY KING WAS ONCE A CRYING BABY*.
Remember the day when you created your account on wikipedia. With all due
respect to your edit count at present and your current status at wiki, you
were also a KID on wikipedia at that day. A KID who has grown up now and
understands wikipedia well enough.
Same is the case with IEP students. Mastering wikipedia and coming to terms
with it is not a cakewalk. The students are learning from their mistakes.
As far as the Campus Ambassadors are concerned, yes there were a few
inactive ones. But there were also many CA's who put their heart and souls
into the program. Ram is one of them. In my opinion, judging a person's
knowledge about wikipedia by his edit count is not at all fair!
I would request you not to get personal. No doubt you are crossing the
limits, even you know that.
And for everyone who is following this thread, IEP is not dead for sure!
It's just that it met with an accident, got deeply wounded. Doctors are
doing their job.
IEP will be back - stronger and healthier !
Thanks,
Pratik Lahoti.
CA, CoEP.
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> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > This sums up the problem of the IEP -? designed by people clueless about
> how
> > en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia as a
> giant
> > sandbox to play with students.
>
> Speaking of playing in sandboxes, just for you, a nice shallow blog
> post that applies:
>
>
>
http://www.smallact.com/blog/3-keys-to-playing-nicely-in-the-social-media-s…
>
> Enjoy the sand,
> Erik
> --
> Erik M?ller
> VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation
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> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:38:09 -0800
> From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Let's *Talk*
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> Well said, Hisham, Srikeit at al. Nobody's asking for rah-rah
> excitement. Being dispassionate and critical is the goal. Being
> hostile and dickish is unhelpful -- there's no possible useful end
> that could serve.
>
> So: If you're adding more heat than light to a conversation, please
> don't join the conversation. If you're attacking others and calling
> into question their legitimacy in being here, without them having
> violated any of the ground rules of good faith behavior, you begin
> violating those norms yourself. Calm down, have a tea, and read some
> good poetry (or write it, if you're truly suffering :-).
>
> At WMF, we'd be completely happy to abandon the Global Education
> Program model altogether if it turned out to be a failure, and we'd be
> happy to abandon it for India or other countries if it turned out to
> be a failure there. Nobody wants to spend $$$ and blood/sweat equity
> (the only type that exists in nonprofits) on stuff that isn't
> achieving its intended impact.
>
> So far, however, what I've seen is a very successful US initiative
> followed by an India pilot which has encountered very serious, deep
> challenges with contribution quality. The analysis that I've seen so
> far really suggests that what it comes down to is abject contribution
> quality by lots of the participating students and a routine pattern of
> copyright infringement (and I would label it plagiarism if they're not
> identifying the source). Let me know if I got that wrong.
>
> That sucks, but if so, that's a problem that needs to be named to be
> tackled in a serious fashion. No amount of tweaking the program
> parameters would have solved the issues of the scale and type that
> have been pointed out. This goes to the fundamentals.
>
> And - to stay with the sandbox metaphor from another thread - if the
> majority of contributors to a university-based program in India can
> reach won't be able to contribute at an acceptable quality in WP
> proper, then perhaps it's also time to think about more aggressive
> sandboxing of contributions early in the game, at least when we're
> dealing with a course where we either don't know what to expect, or we
> _do_ based on experiences like the one to date. Possibly even using an
> external sandbox.
>
> Lastly, let's not forget that we haven't made any determination as to
> what the best methods are to gain, and keep, great new contributors in
> India (or elsewhere, for that matter). We can, and should, continue to
> experiment with many different approaches, including some of the
> suggestions that have been made in previous threads.
>
> All the energy, including the occasional flamewar, that I'm seeing
> here really speaks tons to the strengths of the India community as a
> whole. Energy, creativity, intelligence and healthy tension are the
> ingredients of success, not failure.
>
> Srikeit, I'll unfortunately miss your talk on Saturday as I'll be at
> the hackathon. But I look forward to hearing about it and hopefully
> catching up on Friday. :-)
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> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:08:21 +0530
> From: Ram Shankar Yadav <ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian
> Education Program pilot
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> *This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want "kids",
> who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We want
atleast
> semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.*
> *
> *
> *- *First of all stop playing those policy games, before looking at
> [[WP:COMPETENCE]] I would rather say to have a look at [[WP:DONTBITE]].
>
> *But then, i should expect this general cluelessness and ignorance from a
> "campus ambassador" with a grand total of 41 mainspace edits?. *
> *
> *
> - Dude you are getting personal here, I respect you obsession with numbers
> but the whole idea of a "campus ambassador" is to help others to edit,
> instead of writing articles for edit count. You just took one number and
> creating all the fuss but you ignored others like ...
>
> Total Edits :705 (in last 5 months)
> Article 49 7.09%
> Talk 6 0.87%
> *User 185 26.77%*
> *User talk 238 34.44%*
> *Wikipedia 144 20.84%*
> Wikipedia talk 26 3.76%
> Template 37 5.35%
> Help 6 0.87%
>
> For more stats :
>
>
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Ramshankaryadav&l…
>
> Apart from the numbers we got the experience of personally touching 1000+
> students and interacting with Faculty and Directors, which you can not do
> by siting and editing Wikipedia in your living room. I'm not a 14000+
> editor like you but I share the same philosophy of free knowledge, but
> instead of respecting us you are doing all the mud throwing, it's not
> acceptable at all!!
>
> *This sums up the problem of the IEP - designed by people clueless about
> how en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia as a
> giant sandbox to play with students.*
> - You are crossing your limits here, we have repeatedly accepted our faults
> but this is too much, we tried something new things, and few worked few
> didn't by it doesn't gives you the authority to say whatever you like to!
> Instead of coming up with "How we can make it better" you are more into
the
> mode of "You did it wrong"!.
>
> ~Ram
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Bala Jeyaraman <sodabottle(a)gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > -* If Hisham and Nitika were clueless why didn't to step-up and asked
> > them about the expectations. One more thing when you are starting
> something
> > new don't expect people will start reaching you from the Day1, we need to
> > build a relationship and get their faith that "we are here to help you,
> and
> > it's going to be great learning experience". Tell me how many times
did
> you
> > reached out to students, even if you did and they didn't responded
don't
> > loose the faith, they are new to this environment just help them to take
> > baby steps.
> >
> > *I remember doing this exactly on Oct 12 office hours. Here is the
> > transcript snippet which srikanth has provided in the earlier mail. Again
> > you are demonstrating your ignorance about what an OA role is.
> >
> >
> > Oct 12 15:34:32 <srikanthlogic> but i was on IRC, got only one help req
> >> in a whole week, my talk page was untouched. I am ready to help if
> >> people reach out :)
> >> Oct 12 15:35:33 <Hmundol> srikanthlogic & soda bottle : yes, i
know
> that
> >> more students ought to be reaching out but sometimes they don't even
> know
> >> the mistake they are committing so don't reach out. ?what the Campus
> >> Ambassadors have been doing i s proactively going to contrib histories
> and
> >> checking in. ?unfortunately, that seems to the only way that it's
> worked.
> >
> >
> > *.*
> > - *First of all I didn't like the way you put this statement, if helping
> > someone by teaching them the right way is some kind of low grade job for
> > you, then I can surely say you are a misfit here! Just imagine you are
> > trying teach a kid to write, they will definitely mess it up by drawing
> > mangoes and bananas, and when you clear the slate you don't call it
> > janatorship, coz you know what you are doing, and having faith that the
> kid
> > will learn by doing mistakes eventually.
> >
> > *
> > This is exactly the kind of cluelessness i am referring to. The
> > [[WP:COMPETENCE]] exists exactly for this purpose - we dont want
"kids",
> > who will "mess up" by "drawing mangoes and bananas" here. We
want atleast
> > semi competent, interested people who can act responsibly.
> >
> > But then, i should expect this general cluelessness and ignorance from a
> > "campus ambassador" with a grand total of 41 mainspace edits?.
> >
> > This sums up the problem of the IEP - designed by people clueless about
> > how en wiki works and run by "campus ambassadors" who view wikipedia
as a
> > giant sandbox to play with students.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
> ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> We have had a lot of responses and recriminations on this issue. In the
> >> light of all that has happened, please let us stop our grousing. Hisham
> has
> >> opened a new thread, and accepted full responsibility. That is the end
> of
> >> the blame-game as far as anybody is concerned. All of us are inviolved
> and
> >> all of us are both innocent and blameworthy, including and especially
> me. I
> >> know I should have done more.
>
>
> >> Let us bring this thread to a
close. Let all posts now be in response to
> >> his new thread only and couched in positive terms and offering useful
> >> suggestions or fresh input.
>
>
>
>
> >> Warm regards,
>
>
> >> Ashwin Baindur
> >> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
> >> ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >>> Hi Bala,
> >
>
> >>>
*"Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika
> >>> and apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue
> the OA
> >>> role involved going through every edit and do the student's work.
IEPs
> >>> mails did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the
> >>> student's homework. If you had made this clear, i would have never
> signed
> >>> up."*
> >
>
> >>>
- We are not putting blame on anyone. If Hisham and Nitika were
> clueless
> >>> why didn't to step-up and asked them about the expectations. One
more
> thing
> >>> when you are starting something new don't expect people will start
> reaching
> >>> you from the Day1, we need to build a relationship and get their faith
> that
> >>> "we are here to help you, and it's going to be great learning
> experience".
> >>> Tell me how many times did you reached out to students, even if you
> did and
> >>> they didn't responded don't loose the faith, they are new to
this
> >>> environment just help them to take baby steps.
> >
>
> >>>
*It imagined them to be janitors who would cleanup after the students.
> >>> (Dont believe me?, ask the other Indian guy who was an OA in both
> programs
> >>> - MikeLynch).*
> >>> - First of all I didn't like the way you put this statement, if
helping
> >>> someone by teaching them the right way is some kind of low grade job
> for
> >>> you, then I can surely say you are a misfit here! Just imagine you are
> >>> trying teach a kid to write, they will definitely mess it up by drawing
> >>> mangoes and bananas, and when you clear the slate you don't call it
> >>> janatorship, coz you know what you are doing, and having faith that
> the kid
> >>> will learn by doing mistakes eventually.
> >
>
> >>>
*Another wrong fact. An Indian admin called spacemanspiff who tried to
> >>> point Hisham and group in the right direction in early september when
> >>> things started to go wrong (it was in the talk page of Moonriddengirl,
> >>> where fluffernutter went to help with copyvios). He even designed a
> helpful
> >>> Q&A page which Hisham did not use. Disgusted with the IEP attitude,
> Spiff
> >>> quit trying to help. The whole issue could have been stopped right
> then and
> >>> there if the warnings of multiple editors and admins had been heeded.*
> >
>
> >>>
- Accept my apologies for not able to recall few Indian Admins who
> tired
> >>> to help us, but if you see the big picture, the whole scene was
> dominated
> >>> by editors from abroad. We needed your help and support when these
> folks
> >>> were pointing fingers on Indian Education System. One more thing,
> after the
> >>> first few instances of copyvios we reached out in person and took 35+
> >>> sessions in various classes but even after putting that effort few of
> them
> >>> kept doing the copy-paste for last minute submissions.
> >
>
> >>>
*And why exactly do you need "Indian" community to help?. The newbie
> >>> editors were getting plenty of help from the global community.*
> >>> *- *By "Indian" community I mean people like you and me and
others you
> >>> are either reading or replying this thread, guys we surely needed your
> >>> support at the forefront.
> >
>
> >
>
> >>> We never denied the fact
that we have failed in certain areas but that
> >>> doesn't mean that overall program is a failure or dead.
> >
>
> >>>
We believe in learning from our mistakes and happy to do new ones to
> >>> learn better.
> >
>
> >>>
Cheers,
> >>> Ram
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Bala Jeyaraman
<sodabottle(a)gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
>
>
>>>> >>*we never got the support which was required from an OA.
Honestly
> >>>> speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and without
> >>>> that coordination chances of success are quite low. *
> >>>> *My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that if
> >>>> Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't
you
> approached
> >>>> them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this failure
> story
> >>>> but even you were a part of this sinking ship.*
> >>
>
>
>>>> Oh yeah. Do everything wrong and then blame the OA. Hisham, Nitika and
> >>>> apparently you are clueless what an OAs role is. I had no clue the
> OA role
> >>>> involved going through every edit and do the student's work.
IEPs
> mails
> >>>> did not specify that the expectation about OA role was doing the
> student's
> >>>> homework. If you had made this clear, i would have never signed up.
> >>
>
>
>>>> So get this straight - IEP had no clue what Online Ambassador's did
in
> >>>> the PPP. They just used the term in IEP and recruited a bunch of
> volunteer
> >>>> editors expecting them to cleanup after the students. This is not
an
> issue
> >>>> of miscommunication, this is an issue of ignorance. The IEP didnt
> know what
> >>>> OAs do. It imagined them to be janitors who would cleanup after the
> >>>> students. (Dont believe me?, ask the other Indian guy who was an
OA
> in
> >>>> both programs - MikeLynch).
> >>
>
>
>>>> >>,* I can't recall a single instance when an Indian
Administrator
> >>>> came forward and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc
> >>
>
>
>>>> *
> >>>> Another wrong fact. An Indian admin called spacemanspiff who tried
to
> >>>> point Hisham and group in the right direction in early september
when
> >>>> things started to go wrong (it was in the talk page of
Moonriddengirl,
> >>>> where fluffernutter went to help with copyvios). He even designed a
> helpful
> >>>> Q&A page which Hisham did not use. Disgusted with the IEP
attitude,
> Spiff
> >>>> quit trying to help. The whole issue could have been stopped right
> then and
> >>>> there if the warnings of multiple editors and admins had been
heeded.
> >>
>
>
>>>> And why exactly do you need "Indian" community to help?. The
newbie
> >>>> editors were getting plenty of help from the global community. You
> dont
> >>>> need a specific nationality editor to come and tell the students
what
> to do
> >>>> and what not to do. A student who doesnt listen to "Do not
copy
> paste"
> >>>> instruction coming from a American editor is not going to care if
the
> >>>> instruction came from an Indian editor.
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Ram Shankar Yadav <
> >>>> ramshankaryadav(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
>
>
>>>>> +1 Srikanth!
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> Hey Folks!
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> I'm Ram and I'm one of the CA's worked closely with CoEP
and SSE. I
> >>>>> would like to share my views on this most discussed topic, coz
the
> term
> >>>>> "FAIL" is quite thought provoking, and now everyone
has an opinion
> and I
> >>>>> respect that.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> As a Campus Ambassador(CA) we faced the heat on ground and nobody
can
> >>>>> feel the pain like us when we heard the discontinuation of IEP
in
> CoEP coz
> >>>>> we gave our personal time physically and virtually in every
possible
> way to
> >>>>> make this program a success, and I promise we'll keep doing
that.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> My views on IEP:
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> 1. *Wikipedia India Education Program(IEP) for a CA* : The whole
idea
> >>>>> of this program like everyone knows is to get more editors, but
we
> have our
> >>>>> own set of challenges in the age of Facebook. What a bunch of
CAs
> have done
> >>>>> in as short span of 5 months can't be done in a couple of
months by
> >>>>> existing Community(local or global), coz we touched the
> students(1000+)
> >>>>> personally, we had the experience of interactions with Faculty
and
> >>>>> Directors.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> Our only aim was to tell them(students) that Wikipedia is
"cool", and
> >>>>> indeed we did that! in the way we taught wikipedia to them. Few
> things
> >>>>> which we tell our students in our Wiki Sessions:
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> - Writing on Wikipedia will give you global audience, 400 million
> >>>>> unique visitors
> >>>>> - It will improve your Writing, Critical Thinking
> >>>>> and Collaborative skills
> >>>>> - It will add a bullet point to your resume and hence better
> >>>>> placements
> >>>>> - Lastly it will also give you marks if you follow the given
> >>>>> deadlines
> >>>
>
>
>>>
>
>
>>>>> Yes, I agree that we have seen setback coz of the copyvios, but I
> >>>>> totally agree with Srikanth coz this was due to the scale and
> numbers.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> 2. *Faculty Involvement* : It is one of the weak link in IEP, though
> >>>>> they knew the importance of this program, but they have their
own
> set of
> >>>>> obligations/mindset, and we always felt that not all the
faculty
> members
> >>>>> are tracking the students and their articles. We have some
exemplary
> Profs
> >>>>> who are so much involved that they reached every student's
talk page
> and
> >>>>> wrote message on it, and on the other side few never opened the
> course page
> >>>>> itself!
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> Lesson for us is to enroll only those who are really interested and
> >>>>> track them as well, drop the course if they are not putting
effort as
> >>>>> required, but this scenario was different 6 months back, coz no
one
> knew
> >>>>> about this program, and yes we did enrolled a few inactive
faculty
> coz they
> >>>>> showed interest but never lived up to the expectation.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> 3. *Online Ambassadors* : As Hisham already told that we got very
> >>>>> late engagement of our OAs in this program as well as the OA
> expectation
> >>>>> issue, we never got the support which was required from an OA.
> Honestly
> >>>>> speaking there was no interaction between OAs and CAs and
without
> >>>>> that coordination chances of success are quite low.
> >>>>> My only point here is to all the OAs in this discussion is that
if
> >>>>> Hisham/Nitika has not set the expectations right, why didn't
you
> approached
> >>>>> them, then and there! Anybody can come and comment on this
failure
> story
> >>>>> but even you were a part of this sinking ship.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> 4. *India Community* : We really missed you throughout this program,
> >>>>> I can't recall a single instance when an Indian
Administrator came
> forward
> >>>>> and found a copyvio/poor editing, etc. We don't bifurcate
among
> community
> >>>>> and we never taught our students that only Indian community
will
> help, our
> >>>>> aim was to make their "collaborative" skill better
instead of
> creating a
> >>>>> division among the community.
> >>>>> For my fellow Indian Wiki Community, folks we would love to hear
from
> >>>>> you and surely need your help and support in future.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> 5. *Global Community* : Firstly I would say "Thank you" to
them for
> >>>>> teaching the harsh lessons but we really liked the way you guys
> supported
> >>>>> us. Yes, I know few folks who always crib and do the mud
throwing on
> this
> >>>>> program and it's implementation, but I know folks who have
helped
> writing
> >>>>> great articles, reviewing them and event doing copy-editing and
> cleaning.
> >>>>> We need to surely communicate better with them in future.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> 6. *Campus Ambassadors*: The best thing that happen to me coz of IEP
> >>>>> is I found great friends who share the same philosophy of free
> knowledge.
> >>>>> We gave our personal time not only in taking session but also
> training new
> >>>>> bunch of CAs and helping students in every possible way.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> We were the face of Wikipedia on campus and we love it!
> >>>>> Like Srikanth said yes we were overloaded coz of the number of
> >>>>> students per CA was very large still we did our bit to help
every
> students
> >>>>> by either reaching out personally and virtually.
> >>>>> One point to note here that out of 40 selected CAs(Gen 1 &
2) only 30
> >>>>> are active and out of those 30 only 20 track/follow and reach
out
> students,
> >>>>> so in short we need more involvements for the dormant CAs.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> 7. *Students* : We found good and bad students, student I know has
> >>>>> written a GA and I also know a student who in-spite of several
> warnings by
> >>>>> phone/mail and personal visits they kept copy-paste! Between the
two
> >>>>> extremes there are folks who failed few times but did learned
from
> it and
> >>>>> had become great editors.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> All in all the learning here is to, assess the level of students
> based
> >>>>> on their skill(writing especially) and their educational
> background(rural
> >>>>> or urban). Also we need to teach them the most important thing,
NOT
> TO COPY
> >>>>> PASTE!!!, from the very first day of the wiki sessions.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> *Summary*: We are challenging the status quo by bringing a new way
of
> >>>>> learning and teaching things and have learned some essential
lessons
> for
> >>>>> making this program a success in future. I would personally
request
> my
> >>>>> fellow Wikipedians to keep a faith on us and support us in
every
> possible
> >>>>> way coz *"helping hands are better than praying
lips"*.
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> Let's make this world a better place!
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Ram
> >>>
>
>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan <
> >>>>> srik.lak(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 20:15, Theo10011
<de10011(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Nitika
<ntandon(a)wikimedia.org
> >wrote:
> >>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> I would also like to share with you all some of the good
articles
> >>>>>>>> that students have written.
> >>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> Nitika, please use right terms from next time, "Good
articles" mean
> >>>>>> entirely different thing in Wikipedia.
http://enwp.org/WP:GA
> >>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> Robinson Crusoe Economy<
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe_Economy>
> >>>>>>> -Another redirect,
'economy' is in
> lower-case.
> >>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> Theo,
> >>>>>> You got it wrong on that alone to best of my knowledge,
probably you
> >>>>>> did it too fast. Its probably the lone GA which got churned
out of
> the
> >>>>>> program and we could call it a lone success among several
other
> things.
> >>>>>> Wish that editor continues wiki editing.
> >>>>
>
>
>>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>> Srikanth.L
> >>>>
>
>
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