Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish? - Wikimedia-l

Hans A. Rosbach

21 Oct 21 Oct

1:51 p.m.

New subject: Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish?

In no-wp we have a policy that usernames shall be for individuals and thus typical company usernames are blocked and asked to request change of names. These users then have no restrictions on which pages to edit. As long as we don't demand identification of users, restrictions on edits would IMO be futile anyway. Hans A. Rosbach / User:Haros On 21 October 2013 15:14, David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi all, When I'm not editing Wikimedia projects, I work for Mondelez International, and our Social Media team has contacted me for advice on responsible engagement with Wikipedia. I know that different language projects have different rules on whether company representatives should: * Edit pages directly or only ever edit talk pages * Edit under their own names or under company names What are the rules for the Nordic languages? Thanks, David -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +491723724440 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Hans A. Rosbach

6:16 p.m.

New subject: Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish?

I'm not sure. Someone who posts deficient article that they obviously have a special relationship to, where the language in addition is deficient, may easily be meet by a deletion request. The difficulty with promoting a company in Wikipedia is the promotion part, not the identity of the author. For a well sourced, well written, well structured article that takes a neutral point of view about a clearly relevant subject, I cannot see that the identity of the author should make much difference. That said, obviously there may be someone who disagrees with me in this. Hans On 21 October 2013 16:07, David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thanks for the quick reply, Hans! If our representatives would (for example) translate an English company page into Norwegian, and then explain the edits on the talk page, and identify their conflict of interest on their user pages and also the article talk page, would you expect that that would be seen as fair and transparent by the Norwegian Wikipedia community? On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Hans A. Rosbach <hans.a.rosbach(a)gmail.com> wrote:

In no-wp we have a policy that usernames shall be for individuals and

thus

typical company usernames are blocked and asked to request change of

names.

These users then have no restrictions on which pages to edit. As long as

we

don't demand identification of users, restrictions on edits would IMO be futile anyway. Hans A. Rosbach / User:Haros On 21 October 2013 15:14, David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

Hi all, When I'm not editing Wikimedia projects, I work for Mondelez International, and our Social Media team has contacted me for advice on responsible engagement with Wikipedia. I know that different language projects have different rules on whether company representatives should: * Edit pages directly or only ever edit talk pages * Edit under their own names or under company names What are the rules for the Nordic languages? Thanks, David -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +491723724440 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Hans A. Rosbach

7:23 p.m.

New subject: Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish?

Is skewing an article easier if you are good at it? Yes I think it is. Hans On 21 October 2013 21:13, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

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I'm not sure. Someone who posts deficient article that they obviously have a special relationship to, where the language in addition is deficient, may easily be meet by a deletion request. The difficulty with promoting a company in Wikipedia is the promotion part, not the identity of the author. For a well sourced, well written, well structured article that takes a neutral point of view about a clearly relevant subject, I cannot see that the identity of the author should make much difference. That said, obviously there may be someone who disagrees with me in this. Hans

What you are saying, in practice, is that a major firm that hires a professional public relations firm that writes the best sort of article, from the viewpoint of the firm, that could be expected to be acceptable is OK, but a crude amateur effort by an inexperienced free-lancer is not. What makes a Wikipedia article better for a firm if serious attention by a public relations firm is regularly paid to it is rather subtle. The brights are a little brighter, the dulls a little less boring, and the pig is cute. Fred

On 21 October 2013 16:07, David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the quick reply, Hans! If our representatives would (for example) translate an English company page into Norwegian, and then explain the edits on the talk page, and identify their conflict of interest on their user pages and also the article talk page, would you expect that that would be seen as fair and transparent by the Norwegian Wikipedia community? On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Hans A. Rosbach <hans.a.rosbach(a)gmail.com> wrote:

In no-wp we have a policy that usernames shall be for individuals and

thus

typical company usernames are blocked and asked to request change of

names.

These users then have no restrictions on which pages to edit. As long

as we

don't demand identification of users, restrictions on edits would IMO

be

futile anyway. Hans A. Rosbach / User:Haros On 21 October 2013 15:14, David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> Hi all, > > When I'm not editing Wikimedia projects, I work for Mondelez > International, and our Social Media team has contacted me for advice > on responsible engagement with Wikipedia. I know that different > language projects have different rules on whether company > representatives should: > > * Edit pages directly or only ever edit talk pages > * Edit under their own names or under company names > > What are the rules for the Nordic languages? > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > David Richfield > [[:en:User:Slashme]] > +491723724440 > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe:

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David Richfield

22 Oct 22 Oct

5:52 a.m.

New subject: Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish?

Thanks all! Surprising as it might seem for a company our size, we don't have any consultants polishing our Wikipedia pages. I'm not in communications at all: I'm in R&D, but our Corporate Communications team really does want to act in good faith, which is why they started talking to me: they're trying to understand the rules before doing anything, and I want to help them connect with the right people in the projects, and help them figure out how they're allowed to contribute responsibly and openly. Kind regards, David On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Johan Jönsson <brevlistor(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2013/10/21 David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com

Hi all,

For Swedish Wikipedia, as I understand our consensus and relevant texts (WP:IK, WP:Användarkonto, WP:Att skriva om näringsliv, företag och varumärken): When I'm not editing Wikimedia projects, I work for Mondelez

International, and our Social Media team has contacted me for advice on responsible engagement with Wikipedia. I know that different language projects have different rules on whether company representatives should: * Edit pages directly or only ever edit talk pages

Talk pages only, please. * Edit under their own names or under company names

Their own names (or pseudonyms). We discourage company names as user names. //Johan Jönsson -- http://vetsaga.se _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Johan Jönsson

10:57 a.m.

New subject: Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish?

2013/10/22 David Richfield <davidrichfield(a)gmail.com>

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Thanks all! Surprising as it might seem for a company our size, we don't have any consultants polishing our Wikipedia pages. I'm not in communications at all: I'm in R&D, but our Corporate Communications team really does want to act in good faith, which is why they started talking to me: they're trying to understand the rules before doing anything, and I want to help them connect with the right people in the projects, and help them figure out how they're allowed to contribute responsibly and openly.

Which is appreciated. //Johan Jönsson --

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