The lobby of high voltage warning signs disagrees.
Vito
Il giorno lun 7 gen 2019 alle ore 11:37 Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>
ha scritto:
Well, in 2019 people should already have come to the
notion that blocking
locally an acting steward is not really a good idea.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:21 AM Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Because of a truly great idea
<
https://am.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E1%88%8D%E1%8B%A9:Log/block&…
the involved user's admin/bureaucrat access was revoked
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&user=&page=…
by
Marco Aurelio.
Vito
Il giorno lun 7 gen 2019 alle ore 11:02 Amir Sarabadani <
ladsgroup(a)gmail.com>
ha scritto:
> Given the response on the talk page [1] I think it's clear violation of
> nondiscrimination policy [2]
> [1] "promotion of homosexuality
will not be tolerated here nor will it
be
forced
down our throats to suit anyone's international political agenda
if
you expect Ethiopians to take part."
[2]
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Nondiscrimination
Best
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 23:09 Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I note that we are talking about the block of
one single user on one
single project; this particular account has thousands of edits over
about a
> dozen projects, but is "attached" to hundreds of Wikimedia projects.
The
> majority of these "attached"
accounts are likely because the editor
> "visited" the various projects while logged in, activating the
automatic
> account creation algorithm. The account was
created 8 years ago, and
has
> > actively edited a wide variety of projects, including several
> wikipedias,
> > Commons, Wikidata, and Meta. While English Wikipedia is the account's
> > "home" wiki, about 55% of the account's global edits have been
made
on
>
Marathi Wikipedia. The Amharic Wikipedia account does not appear to
have
> edited, which suggests that it was
automatically created when the
editor
> was "looking at" the project on 9
February 2018. The block for
account
> > name was made on 22 October 2018. I note that accounts were created
on
> > over a hundred projects over the course
of a few days in February
2018.
>
> The point being raised in this thread is that it appears this editor
was
> blocked on one of the 381 wikis on which
they have an account,
explicitly
> > because of the perception that their username calls attention to the
> sexual
> > behaviour of the editor. What we do not know is (a) whether that is
in
fact
> a legitimate username block reason on Amharic Wikipedia, or (b) if it
is
a
legitimate username block reason, *why* it would
be a username block
reason. We don't know why this block was applied so long after the
account
> was created. We don't know the username policy on Amharic Wikipedia,
nor
do
> we know how it is applied; for example, we don't know if a username
like
> "StraightGuy101" would be blocked.
We do know that there are only 4
> administrators on Amharic Wikipedia, and that there are fewer than 50
> active users working on the project, which may be part of the reason
for
> > the delay between automatic account creation and the account block.
> >
> > We also know that one of the challenges of single user login for all
> > Wikimedia projects has highlighted the fact that certain usernames
that
> are
> > acceptable on some projects are blocked on other projects; we've
known
> that
> > for years. We know that each project establishes its own policies
when
it
> > comes to usernames. There are legitimate reasons why a username that
is
> > acceptable in one language is not
acceptable in another language,
even
in
> > cases where the editor had no knowledge that the chosen username
would
be a
problem in another language. We do know that
there have been lots of
cases
> where usernames have been blocked for "username policy violation" on
all
> > kinds of projects, despite the account operating productively on
other
>
projects.
>
> I also note that there is nothing in this thread that confirms the
editor
> > themself has raised any concerns about this block, and I am always
wary
of
> turning an editor into a "martyr for a cause" without their direct
> agreement, as that can be as abusive as the original action. So the
first
step in
this situation would be to confirm with the individual editor
whether or not they want their "case" to be examined.
Should the editor be agreeable, I suggest that the next step is for
someone
who has the ability to converse in Amharic to
contact the Amharic
Wikipedia
> and find out why the block has been issued, how it is consistent with
the
> > username policy on Amharic Wikipedia, whether that policy is driven
in
> part
> > by external considerations (e.g., does the project risk heavy
> governmental
> > scrutiny if it appears to "promote" locally unacceptable
activities). I
am
personally curious as to why it took over six
months to identify that
this
> account did not meet the local username policy, and whether there was
> internal or external discussion about the username.
>
> It is not clear to me what the desired outcome is in this case - at
least
> in part because we have no idea of the
opinion of the editor
involved. I
am
hard-pressed to say that a project should be required to allow
usernames
> that it has a long history of considering unacceptable, especially if
it
> is
> > applied evenly to all accounts; in this case, if it disallows
usernames
> > that imply sexual preference regardless
of what that preference is.
> >
> > It seems to me that the WMF Trust & Safety group would probably be
the
right group to examine this.
Risker/Anne
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 at 09:42, Ariel Glenn WMF <ariel(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>
> > Additional notes:
> > The user's regular page can be viewed on en wikipedia:
> >
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:QueerEcofeminist
> > Queer may have to do with gender identity as opposed to being an
> indicator
> > of 'sexual behavior', so the blockers didn't even get that right.
> Example:
> > I am gender-nonconforming as to my gender identity and expression;
this
> is
> > the primary reason I use the label 'queer'.
> >
> > I believe this should be reported... somewhere. But I don't know
where.
> > The
> > > WMF CoC only covers technical spaces. A little help here?
> > >
> > > Ariel
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:26 PM Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do we have cross project policies to govern or limit local
policies
> > > > for the use of sysop tools? I
would like to pass on policy
advice,
and
> > > any past cases folks here would like to highlight that set a
> > > precedent.
> > >
> > > The case below is illustrative, though based on my recall of
several
> > > > complaints which went nowhere over the years, on email lists, and
> > > > Jimmy's talk page, about apparently arbitrary blocks on
different
> > > > non-English Wikipedias, it seems reasonable to believe those
> > > > complaints are the tip of the iceberg, and there are likely to be
> many
> > > > historical cases of blocks that could have been appealed... had
the
> > > > user been confident to
complain in English, and have the energy
to
> >
> pursue generic WMF policies on terms of use, or
> > > harassment/discrimination, to establish a meta-level case.
> > >
> > > # Example case
> > >
> > > An account block on the Amharic Wikipedia (am.wp) was flagged up
> > > yesterday on the WM LGBT+ Telegram discussion group.[3] The
rationale
> > > > for blocking the account was because the account name includes
the
> > > > word "Queer"[1].
The incident raises questions about process and
> > > > accountability, particularly as the block gives the impression
that
> >
> this is the norm or an agreed interpretation of policy for sysops
on
> > > > am.wp, and because the user is well established using this
account
> > name across Wikimedia projects and has never
edited am.wp so the
block
> > > cannot be based on any prior action or dispute.
> > >
> > > In this example there is no obvious process for appeal, if sysops
on
> > > that project think that blocking
any LGBT+ related account name
> > > represents local consensus. After off-wiki discussion, the WMF
Trust
> > > > and Safety team has been approached for advice,[2] as the
rationale
> > > > for the action appears
hostile to any openly LGBT+ volunteers who
> > > > might want to include something queer looking in their account
name
> > (such as my account name, should anyone want
to read it as
transgender
> > related).
> >
> > # Links
> >
> > 1.
> >
>
https://am.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%88%8D%E1%8B%A9:Contributions/QueerEcofemi…
> >
> ;
> > > the block log states "Names calling attention to your sexual
behavior
> > > have never been allowed here in 15
years and aren't suddenly
allowed
> >
in 2018"
> > 2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trust_and_Safety
> > 3.
https://telegram.me/wmlgbt
> >
> > Thanks
> > Fae
> > --
> > faewik(a)gmail.com
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT+
> >
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