As long as we all stay friends!
On 11 Aug 2014 00:57, "MF-Warburg" <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must
be the strange beer
here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb "Richard Symonds" <
richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk>gt;:
MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, "MF-Warburg" <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Your mail is embarrassing.
If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you
don't
> understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
> Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb "John Lewis" <johnflewis93(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
> > The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
> > acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not
punish
> > administrators. The community.
couldn't take no for an answer and
what
> has
> > happened?
> >
> > * Wheel/edit wars
> > * A new user right to prevent disruption
> > * A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki
> > * A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki
> >
> > And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn
> > children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming
to
get
> it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of
being
> > too harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve.
> >
> > To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the
overlords,
> the
> > masters, god of
> > Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome
> feature
> > where are all work in a good environment and get on as a community
and
Foundation.
I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they
certainly
> have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can
not
> > blame the Foundation for revoking something we clearly do not
deserve.
>
> >
> Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best
you
> can and this new user right was proxy
deployed by Tim and an advocate
and
> not your self - you mean well and I see
this. I agree with everything
you
> have done so far as a matter of fact.
>
> Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities
in
> > exactly why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so
> much
> > dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene? It not, please do
so.
> >
> > In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted
inappropriately
and
our bitching at each other does far than solve
it. The WMF had to
implement
> a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page
because
> > of their refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a
> > performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why
did
> > dewiki have to do this? The WMF
refusing to disable Media Viewer.
From
> what
> > I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to do this for
Wikipedias
> and
> > their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid
> > reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG
UNUSABLE
>
DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to
view
> > and images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both
users
and
> the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images.
>
> If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media
Viewer
> > on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users enabled it, this shows
1.1%
>
consensus for disabling the extension in a whole.
>
> I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop
bitching
> at
> > the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I fully support Erik
> super
> > protecting every single js and CSS page on every wiki as most Sysop I
> feel
> > are technically incompetent.
> >
> > John Lewis
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > John Lewis
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