I disagree, I think that this council (the
provisional one) should be
larger, regardless of whether the final council's size is adjusted or
not.
-Dan
On Apr 1, 2008, at 3:57 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Our dear friend Danny Wool pontificated that I would oppose this
proposal (
http://allswool.blogspot.com/2008/03/it-seems-that-effeietsanders-has.html)
.
It is for this reason only that I do not want to disappoint him and
give
a reaction.
What is on the table is that a group of self appointed bosses are
going to
investigate if and how a wiki coucil can be started. This group is
likely to
come to the conclusion that it would be a good thing. As long as
there is
nothing to see, there is not much for me to comment on. The fact
that they
take the initiative is the best reason why they may succeed.
I have not been invited in this group of self appointed bosses, this
is a
good thing as I am busy enough as it is. I have written in the past
extensively on the subject, I spoke with some of the bosses so my
view is
known. With Milos and Pathoschild part of this effort, I am sure
that the
relevance of linguistic and cultural diversity will get some
attention (one
of my hot buttons)
From my perspective, this group is large enough to still be
effective, a
shame that they are likely to come with the suggestion to have a
council
that is many times this size and destroying its effectiveness in the
process.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:46 AM, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> Dear all,
> I am very glad that the proposal for
establishing a provisional
> volunteer council received such a lot support both on this list
> as in
> private conversations.
> Since the request for candidates for
the Provisional Volunteer
> Council, I received quite some nominations. However,
> unfortunately I
> have to admit that there were no (willing) candidates from some
> important regions amongst these. As I have to work with the
> candidates
> that were nominated, I was therefore unable to candidate someone
> from
> these regions.
> I did try however, to get at least a
few projects represented, and
> also a more technical person (from the developers side of the
> volunteer spectrum). Please find my final suggestion list below in
> the
> proposal (attached again for reference - only one minor spelling
> and
> layout changes).
> Please note that this is a *proposed*
resolution, and not yet
> accepted.
> I know this list is not very long. And
some area's are still
> missing
> in representation. However, I trust this group wholehearely, and
> suppose that they will make sure as a first thing to get at least
> one
> or more projects better represented (such as Wikinews or
> Wikiversity
> which have a very different character).
> If you have major concerns with
respect to this list of candidates,
> please send them to this list or communicate them to the Board (I
> am
> not sure which route is the best for that though). I will make no
> changes any more myself, but the Board is of course able to
> determine
> the list as it likes.
> With kind regards,
> Lodewijk Gelauff
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Whereas the Board,
> * recognizes the value of volunteers
in Wikimedia projects and that
> their work is the very reason of their success,
> * values the volunteers' opinions and takes them into serious
> consideration when discussing issues involving the volunteers,
> * is of the opinion that these volunteers should have a strong
> say in
> changes in the articles of incorporation and the bylaws of the
> Wikimedia Foundation,
> * considers a Volunteer Council a valuable intermediary between
> volunteers and the Foundation, and as a good instrument to hear the
> voice of the volunteers:
> it is hereby resolved that:
> 1. The Board of Trustees hereby
creates a Volunteer Council, to
> serve
> as a valuable complement to the Staff, Advisory Board and Board of
> Trustees.
> 2. Without restricting the generality of this provision the
> purposes
> of the Volunteer Council shall include:
> 1) Offering advice and support on
issues relevant to the Wikimedia
> Volunteers,
> 2) Recommanding the opening or closure of Wikimedia projects,
> 3) Approving changes to the articles of incorporation or bylaws of
> the Wikimedia Foundation and
> 4) Assist in establishing a clear separation between the legal
> responsibilities of the Wikimedia Foundation as an Internet Service
> Provider and the community decisions for the Wikimedia Projects.
> 3. The members from the Volunteer
Council must be volunteers within
> Wikimedia.
> 4. The Provisional Volunteer Council shall report to the Board no
> later than September 1, 2008, which report shall include
> recommendations regarding the number and composition of the
> Volunteer
> Council, and how the members of the Council shall be chosen. Said
> report shall also include recommendations regarding the
> distribution
> of rights and responsibilities between the Board and Council, and
> any
> changes in the by-laws that may be necessary to implement this.
> 5. Except where it pertains to its own procedures, no decision of
> the
> Provisional Volunteer Council shall bind any person.
> 6. On receipt of the said report the Board shall take such steps as
> it
> deems necessary to confirm and empower the Volunteer Council, and
> provide for a transition of operations from the Provisional
> Volunteer
> Council.
> 7. Members of the Volunteer Council will not be financially
> compensated for their activity. On approval by the Board of
> Trustees
> expenses of the Provisional Volunteer Council and Volunteer Council
> in
> the fulfillment of their duties may be reimbursed.
> 8. The following people are hereby appointed as member of the
> Provisional Volunteer Council:
> Michael Bimmler, Mbimmler (Main
project: de.wikipedia)
> Yaroslav Blanter, Yaroslav Blanter (Main project: ru.wikipedia)
> Lise Broer, Durova (Main projects: en.wikipedia and
> commons.wikimedia )
> Jesse Plamondon-Willard, Pathoschild (Main projects: en.wikisource
> and meta.wikimedia )
> Sydney Poore, FloNight (Main project: en.wikipedia)
> Milos Rancic, Millosh (Main project: sr.wikipedia)
> Ray Saintonge, Eclecticology (Main project: en.wikisource,
> en.wikipedia)
> Andrew Whitworth, Whiteknight (Main project: en.wikibooks)
> Michal Zlatkovsky, Timichal (Main project: cs.wikipedia)
> 9. The members of the Provisional
Volunteer Council may on a 2/3
> vote
> of all its members add such additional members as they may deem
> necessary and useful to their deliberations.
>
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