James
Thanks for that. As a member of the Board, would you clarify the Board's
position on whether it is prepared to see the final Recommendations
implemented irrespective of any disagreement from the community?
Jeff
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:05 PM James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior
position.
James
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke <geoffey.hawke(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Paulo,
You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia community
does not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall that just
five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board,
expressed
the opinion
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)&a…
over
a much less dramatic change.
All of this is going to require change, change
that might not be
acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part
of this
next step in our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to take a
wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have to
let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step
when
needed. I can only hope that your break is
temporary, and that you will
return when the time is right.
I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today.
Jeff
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia
> community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs
8and
> their advisors), and eventually decided upon
by the BoT around
December.
> Therefore, after 15 September or so, the
Wikimedia community will only
be
dealing
with those recommendations again when they are already in the
process of implementation.
It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the
Wikimedia
> community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all
the
> way till implementation phase.
>
> Paulo
>
> Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de> escreveu no dia quinta,
> 22/08/2019
> à(s) 11:58:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so
much
>
attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for building
our
> future. Here are a couple of follow up
responses and clarifications.
>
> DRAFTS
> As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently shared
are
> recommendation drafts. They are not final,
and not complete, but
working
> > documents that are currently being refined by the working groups.
Some
> > answers still read like stubs that are
longing for further
development,
> > others are very detailed and will
become more focused over the next
few
>
weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to give
everyone a
> full picture of the variety of topics and
offer an insight into
multiple
> progress levels.
>
> I would also like to reiterate that movement values, priorities and
> community conversation processes are high on our radar. A
recommendation
to
> change the existing license model, for example, will not just go
through
a
quick approval process, but lead to a deeper
exploration into the
reasoning
> behind it: What problems are we trying to tackle, and what could be
ways
to
> mitigate them? Such recommendation would then rather suggest to look
into
> > different measures to ensure indigenous knowledge is included in the
> > Wikimedia ecosystem, deploy research and further consultation,
instead
of
> > rushing to a quick fix.
> >
> > INTEGRATION
> > The working groups are taking input that they gathered at Wikimania
and
via
> different movement channels and incorporating it into the next
iteration
of
> their recommendations. These documents will then serve as a basis for
> harmonization across working groups.
>
> The input that we are gathering comes in on different levels. Some of
it
> targets structural level changes or
emphasizes specific principles or
> values, while other feedback is more on the programmatic side or
already
addressing implementation. Structural input will continue to be
considered
> in forthcoming iterations of the recommendations. Programmatic input
will
> > be documented and taken forward to inform the implementation.
> >
> > TIMELINE
> > We wanted to get the English drafts out as soon as possible and the
> > translations on a rolling basis, so that Wikimania participants could
> read
> > and prepare to engage in person. Over the next few weeks, we will do
> > targeted, public outreach to online project communities in multiple
> > languages. We are soliciting feedback to shape the overall direction
of
the
> recommendations through mid-September. Working Groups are already
working
> > on identifying gaps and overlaps with other groups to prepare for
> > harmonization.
> >
> > At the harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September, we will
bring
3
representatives from each Working Group together to work to develop a
more
> coherent set of recommendations. The group will be supported by
> facilitators and external advice, as well as the core team. We have
also
> > invited María Sefidari, Katherine Maher, Ryan Merkley, Valerie
D’Costa
>
(Wikimedia Foundation) and Abraham Taherivand (Wikimedia Deutschland)
to
> the sprint. They contribute expertise and
experience from their work
and
> leadership in the movement and beyond. They
will be active listeners
and
> > can challenge recommendations by pointing out risks and consequences
on
the
> organizational and movement level. They also participate as the
> representatives of organizations that may be impacted by the
> recommendations. Involving them early is important so they can
anticipate
> any possible changes for their staff and
programs, and plan for
> implementation.
>
> Our aim is to release recommendations in November 2019, and present
them
> to
> > the Board of Trustees for approval in December. We will need the
legal
>
authority of the board for some of the recommendations, while others
will
> > then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and
structures
for
> approval or further consultation.[1] There will be additional public
> consultation activities around implementation that will be discussed
and
> > owned across the movement.
> >
> > WORKING GROUPS
> > We have chosen the working group model to ensure that the process
that
> > embarks to make significant changes to
our movement structures is
owned
by
> the community. Members of the nine working group were selected by a
> steering committee and the groups were established in July 2019.[2]
Group
> > members come from different parts of the movement, e.g. from
different
>
regions and languages, from individual contributors and organized
groups,
> and with different volunteer and staff
roles, incl. Wikimedia
Foundation
> staff and board.
>
> The groups are doing an amazing job. With many of them being
volunteers,
> or
> > doing this work on top of their regular jobs, creating the draft
> > recommendations is a huge achievement. They first needed to form,
storm
> and
> > norm as a group and figure out how to best work together across time
> zones,
> > languages, and contexts. They then took a deep dive into the
substance
> and
> > identified the scope of their work and the specific questions to
tackle
> for
> > us as a movement to advance in our strategic direction. The
development
> of
> > recommendations has started in spring this year, and – aside from
many
>
online calls, asynchronous work and scarce in-person meetings –
included
> incorporating community conversations and
external expertise. It is
only
to
> the hard work of these groups that we finally have something tangible
in
> > front of us that we can all react to and help further improve to
build
our
> future together.
>
> Please join us in thanking, celebrating and supporting them, rather
than
rushing
to conclusions or arguing over details. Please contribute in
good
faith, and in a constructive way.
Let me know if you have further questions.
Best wishes,
Nicole
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/July…
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working…
>
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 13:13, Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > And this is the core problem of the whole process (which has been
> pointed
> > > out by multiple people from the very beginning)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Yaroslav
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke <
geoffey.hawke(a)gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett <
> andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke <
geoffey.hawke(a)gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
> > > > > > recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF
> > > > >
> > > > > This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step;
the
one
> > > where the recommendations are
accepted, or not, by the wider
Wikimedia
> > > community.
> > >
> >
> > That step is not mentioned at
> >
> >
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequen…
> > ?
> >
> > Jeff
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