What Gerard suggests is NOT a solution. There are reasons people are spamming Wikipedia
and not adding content to Yellowiki. We are the fourteenth largest website in the world,
while Yellowiki does not count in the top one hundred thousand. We have a consistently
high google rating and our links ensure that they will have a high google rating,
Yellowiki does not. We can offer some modicum of respectability, while they cannot Compare
these two statements: "Look at me! I'm in the encyclopedia!" v. "Look
at me! I'm in the phonebook! "
The fact is that they do not want to be on Yellowiki, which no one has ever heard of.
They want to be on Wikipedia, which is a household name. And for that we need real
solutions.
Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org
Cc: bpatrick(a)wikimedia.org
Sent: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Corporate vanity policy enforcement
Hoi,
There are two issues that may be addressed. There is an apparant need for
organisations to be VISIBLE. They want to use Wikipedia for that while we do
not consider them to be of relevance in an encyclopedic setting. The content
that they created would be of some value to Yellowikis. This is where this
information is welcomed.
By moving it sideways, we do exactly what is current practice for other
content that does not fit Wikipedia. We are not as confrontational as we
could be, but the teflon quality of our projects would be increased and this
may lead to fewer angry people in our projects as well.
PS I am totally behind the notion that we should not have non-encyclopedic
content in Wikipedia.. for me it is a matter of strategy.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 9/29/06, Jeffrey V. Merkey <jmerkey(a)wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
Brad,
One very easy solution to all of this is to segregate the live edited
wikipedia site from the published site scraped by the
search engines.
In other words, setup the community server "anyone can edit" at
something like
draften.wikipedia.org and publish reviewed
dumps of the community server to a read only external server for
scraping like I am doing at Wikigadugi. I have ZERO
vandalism problems , ZERO content dispute problems, and ZERO vanity page
problems and I host the entire English
wikipedia as well as several other languages.
Very simple solution. People won't waste the time creating vanity pages
when they know they may not get published in the
"official" external official site.
Jeff
Brad Patrick wrote:
Brad Patrick wrote:
Dear Community:
The volume of corporate vanity/vandalism which is showing up on
Wikipedia is overwhelming. At the office, we are receiving dozens of
phone calls *per week* about company, organization, and marketing
edits which are reverted, causing the non-notable, but
self-aggrandizing authors, to scream bloody murder. This is as it
should be. However, I am issuing a call to arms to the community to
act in a much more draconian fashion in response to corporate
self-editing and vanity page creation. This is simply out of hand,
and we need your help.
We are the #14 website in the world. We are a big target. If we are
to remain true to our encyclopedic mission, this kind of nonsense
cannot be tolerated. This means the administrators and new page
patrol need to be clear when they see new usernames and page creation
which are blatantly commercial - shoot on sight. There should be no
question that someone who claims to have a "famous movie studio" and
has exactly 2 Google hits - both their Myspace page - they get nuked.
Ban users who promulgate such garbage for a significant period of
time. They need to be encouraged to avoid the temptation to recreate
their article, thereby raising the level of damage and wasted time
they incur.
Some of you might think regular policy and VfD is the way to go. I am
here to tell you it is not enough. We are losing the battle for
encyclopedic content in favor of people intent on hijacking Wikipedia
for their own memes. This scourge is a serious waste of time and
energy. We must put a stop to this now.
Thank you for your help.
-Brad Patrick
User:BradPatrick
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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