Well most of our bans are just zombie proxies, or
whatever they're
called,
so there's no real need for a long ban. Persistent trouble makers
have
longer expiries or are added to the autorem. It takes what, maybe .5
seconds to type your /cs op shortcut? I for one can just click a
nick and
op/remove/ban/deop in one fell swoop. Discussing operator issues in
channel
just invites drama. I don't know what /onnotice is but it sounds
useful.
--John Reaves
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Dan Rosenthal
<swatjester(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, freenode is the only network I know
that does that. For the
same reasons you view a network setup with perma-ops and long bans as
stupid, I view Freenode's setup that invites drama, and attacks and
hinders ops, as stupid. Every other IRC network I've been on, from
big
ones of the EFnet/Undernet type, to smaller ones, the ops are always
opped so they are a) easily identifiable and we don't need a special
channel just to present issues to them; b) able to receive the
benefit
of commands like /onotice, c) much faster to react to !kb a user (all
an opped user needs to do is type !kb name, or right click , kickban,
rather than /msg chanserv for ops, kick the user, deop self), d) It
shows to flooder types that there are ops in that channel,
discouraging attacks. For much the same reason, bans last for periods
of a few weeks unless specifically overturned, rather than banning
people and then allowing them back in a few days later to cause more
trouble.
On Feb 26, 2008, at 3:37 PM, John Reaves wrote:
Catalyzing is bit lame some times, I'll give
you that. But being
opped all
of the time and keeping bans for longer than a few days for people
without a
history of abuse is just plain stupid and I would assume any IRC
network set
up by WMF wouldn't allow it either.
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