As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't enforce this directly as it is
not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we have raised the
issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one
as well.
I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of
the copyright obligations that come with using this text.
Thanks for surfacing this,
Nicholas
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:18:53 +0200
From: "Peter Southwood" <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
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If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF
themselves do not own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who
created the text. They can take this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you
are one of those contributors you can approach Google as misusing your
copyright.
Cheers, Peter
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Is GoogleTV violating Wikipedia's license?
Hi all,
I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It
came up today <
https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB2…
on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in
Catalan language (which in principle it should be good news regarding
language normalization). However, shortly after a wikipedian colleague
realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan Wikipedia. Once I
downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not specify
anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines
belong to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the
full article or to the CC license.
I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available
under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0 <
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attributio…
) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's
more situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to
minoritised language Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also
the lack of legitimate clicks and views that we end up losing, the
confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that think this is a win
by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and even
a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by
some users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not
actually the opposite.
I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about
the problems of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing
clicks to the Wikimedia projects. Considering that I am fully against the
GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting by benefiting from Google
in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to share it here
as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced).
Kind regards,
Xavier Dengra
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