Hoi,
When there is no modern vocabulary and this is objectively determined by
modern literature there is no living language at all. Also one hobbyist does
not make a language alive.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The fact that the Coptic church may or may not
issue their documents
in Coptic is not enough alone to state that this is a "dead language".
We must look at all facets of modern use (and lack thereof), rather
than just the issuance of new documents by a particular church in a
specific language.
Mark
On 01/04/2008, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Pharos
<pharosofalexandria(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Mark
Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
For Latin, it is obvious. The latest Roman Missal was published in
2002. If you can argue it is not so much different from the second
latest one, it had been published in 1962. Reflecting the so-called
2nd Vatican Counsil and its reformation, 1962 version, or Novus Ordo
is very known of its differences from the earlier versions. Or we can
refer to CCC or several motu proprios which the Vatican has issued.
On the other hand, Coptic Church doesn't seem to be enthusiastic to
issue their documents in Coptic. As for the Orthodox, I don't know any
church in the Slavic tradition using Church Slavic as their document
language, while still today it is the language of liturgy and the
Scrupture and many prayers, and Churches in Greek tradition don't use
Attic dialect as far as I know.
There is a good reason Latin learners can be allowed to entertain
their linguistic ability on this project, I think. Anyway, even in a
narrow region, it is still used and viable to carry ideas.
> Yes, I think the exact rule we should propose is: Does this language
> have a contemporary literature? Are new articles or books still be
> written in it?
>
> And is the contemporary literature respected by -scholars- of the
> "historical" language (i.e. not something merely pursued by Sumerian
> hobbyists)?
>
> Because if there is a contemporary literature, then the language is
> not truly extinct in the written form.
>
> When we "provide the sum of human knowledge to every human being",
we
> must recognize the diversity of human
expression, and that a -full-
> accounting of the vehicles of intellectual discourse must include
all
> languages that have contemporary
literatures, whether they havve
> native speakers or not.
>
> Pharos
>
>
>
> > On 29/03/2008, Jesse Martin (Pathoschild) <pathoschild(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > The language subcommittee only allows languages that have a
living
> > > native community (except
Wikisource, due to its archivist
nature).
> > > This is based on an
interpretation of the Wikimedia Foundation
mission
> > > to "provide the sum of
human knowledge to every human being".
Thus,
> > > the overriding purpose of
allowing a wiki in a new language is
to make
> > > it accessible to more human
beings. If a language has no
native users,
> > > allowing a wiki in that
language does not fit our mission
because it
> > > does not make that project
accessible to more human beings.
Instead, a
> > > wiki in their native languages
should be requested if it
doesn't
> > > already exist.
> > >
> > > Typically, the users requesting a wiki in an extinct language
don't
> > > want to provide educational
material to more people at all,
but only
> > > want to promote or revive the
language. While these are noble
goals,
> > > they are not those of the
Wikimedia Foundation, so that a wiki
should
> > > not be created simply to
fulfill them.
> > >
> > > But that is my opinion. What do you think; should wikis be
allowed in
> > > every extinct language?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Yours cordially,
> > > Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)
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