I agree that is the current situation, but why should we not have such a project (in
theory - in practice I could list several obstacles, possibly surmountable)
Cheers,
Peter
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Yes, but if oral tradition is recorded at the academic standard, why should we be the
first publication venue? Usually these people just publish books in academic publishing
houses.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
There may be a way to do it on another project
designed for the
purpose, but that cannot be English Wikipedia, and I doubt that any
project that allows anonymous editing could manage it credibly. Oral
tradition would at least have to be sourced to the teller, and would
have to be recorded by a reliable and identified recorder, who can be
held responsible for their due diligence. This would not be an easy
thing for a crowdsourced project, but anything less would be like a magnet for everything
we don't want.
Cheers,
Peter
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I do not have a perfect solution to introduce oral traditions in
Wikipedia today, but I’m convince that we need to find a way to do it.
Just to give you an illustration:
Today ,a significative amount of African topics in the Wikipedia in
French rely only on the work of only few French historian. Without
saying they are not honest, I find difficult to consider that there
words have really so more value than the words of the Ancient of the African tribes.
We know for sure than oral tradition will include bias, but do not
forget that the « traditional western historian work » are not exempt of bias too.
Charles
PS: IMHO, I find offensive the way you define oral traditions, but it
may be caused by a misconception from my part.
These are the definition I use for urban legend and oral tradition,
very different each other I think.
urban <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban#English> legend <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legend#English> (plural urban legends <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban_legends#English>)
A widely circulated story <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/story> that
is untrue <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/untrue> or apocryphal <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apocryphal>gt;, often having elements of
humour <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humour> or horror <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horror>gt;.
oral <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral#English> tradition <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradition#English> (countable <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#countable> and
uncountable
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable>,
plural oral traditions <https://en.wiktionary.org/
wiki/oral_traditions#English>)
Cultural <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture> material transmitted
<
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit> orally from one generation
<
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generation> to another.
Le 4 oct. 2017 à 21:11, Yaroslav Blanter
<ymbalt(a)gmail.com> a écrit :
You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between
them. I just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A
legend is a legend, be it urban or not.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia
<chandres.wp(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is
>> likely to be problematic (since it is really difficult to
>> differentiate between say folk tales and the oral traditions which
>> state that Earth is flat and that all US presidents report to the
>> Zionist Occupational Government),
> but
>>
>
> For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban
> legend
».
TO my
understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the
History of the tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken
way and never put on paper. Am I wrong?
charles
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