Lila, As you have appended your message to this thread, I assume that there is a non-zero
probability that you are referring to one or more of the contributors to the thread. I do
not consider any of the mails included to be polarizing rhetoric, so could you inform us
whether you do, and if so, which, or whether there was another reason why that specific
comment was appended here.
Cheers,
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lila Tretikov
Sent: Saturday, 05 September 2015 7:16 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely
blocked by WMF fundraising
First, thanks to all of those who worked in good faith, with patience and care for each
other to solve this problem. I appreciate the level of compromise and empathy that was
required from teams at WMIL and WMF. Thank you!
Second, I want to highlight that this is a *our* issue, we are a community and we need to
think about our *one mission* to engage every human with knowledge, before our individual
goals. Let's please remember that before we detract and distract with polarizing
rhetoric (you know who you are on this list). Bring up issues, suggest solutions. But
please, in good faith and with care for each other.
Thanks all,
Lila
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
I was referring to the fundraising targets, which have
been cited as a
cause of the dispute. WMIT/WLM have explained at length their reasons
for needing banners in September. I am in no position to comment on
whether their analysis is correct or not . Fundraising has not been so
forthcoming in response to queries.
Cheers,
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W
Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 1:45 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments
in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
I guess I'm not clear on whether you're asking about the Fundraising
targets or the WLM/WMIT targets, or both. Can you clarify?
My understanding from this email chain is that there will be a
deconfliction of banner space via better scheduling next year. I think
that someone suggested setting up a calendar to track banner use,
which might also be helpful.
I think I'll step out of this conversation for the moment, and let the
stakeholders take it from here.
Pine
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
One of the basic tenets of health and safety, is
that if you have a
near miss incident, it should be analysed the same way that a fatal
incident would be investigated. Not to apportion blame, even if it
is due, but so that the same situation can be avoided in the future.
Organisations that fail to do this are doomed to repeat their
mistakes, not necessarily by the same people, who may well have
learned, but often by other departments, where the people did not
get
the opportunity to learn by the mistake.
Refusal to answer reasonable and legitimate
questions by
stakeholders often leads to accusations of conspiracy and bad faith
and can end in the local demagogues, of which we have an adequate
supply, inciting the torch and pitchfork brigade. Things may go downhill at this point.
Cheers,
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W
Sent: Friday, 04 September 2015 8:43 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves
Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Yes, I think it is the case that Fundraising and other organizations
(like the WLM coordinators, Wikimedia Italia, and Community
Resources / FDC) were working from different playbooks. But now that
Fundraising has agreed to change their plans, I think we should give
them some breathing room, especially because they say that banner
scheduling will be coordinated next year.
Pine
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
> Who set the targets that will now not be met, how were they
> decided, and when were they set? I must assume that WLM annual
> project was not taken into consideration by these planners.
> Cheers,
> P
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W
> Sent: Thursday, 03 September 2015 10:51 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves
> Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
>
> I just want to respond to this point in particular:
>
> "Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means for the first
> time in at least 4 years, the fundraising team will not be meeting
> a target. The team will pick up extra work in October to make up
> for work missed in September.
> It's not possible to do two months of work in one month, so there
> will need to be adjustments later throughout the year to make up
> for missing the September target."
>
> It was somewhat courageous for WMF Fundraising to change its
> schedule and forecast missing a target as a result. Two quotes
> seem appropriate in the context of this conversation, particularly
> regarding WMF's taking the community's priorities into account and
> absorbing the risks to its plans that come with changing to
accommodate WLM:
"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also
what it takes to sit down and listen." -- Winston Churchill.
"Either you decide to stay in the shallow end of the pool or you
go out in the ocean." --Christopher Reeve
Thanks Megan and all.
Pine
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Mathias Damour <
mathias.damour(a)laposte.net
wrote:
> Le 31/08/2015 13:02, Megan Hernandez a écrit :
>
>> Postponing the Italian fundraising campaign means for the first
>> time in at least 4 years, the fundraising team will not be
>> meeting a target. The team will pick up extra work in October
>> to make up for work missed in September.
>> It's not possible to do two months of work in one month, so
>> there will need to be adjustments later throughout the year to
>> make up for missing the September target.
>>
>
> The WMF team is without any doubt very professional in "meeting
> its target" and in smooth communication.
>
> We should also understand that despite the huge growth of the
> WMF these last few years, it may feel an inferiority complex and
> think it has a backlog to catch up compared to some much richer
> neighbouring companies in the San Francisco Bay ! I guess they
> roughly think: "Why should we have 15 time less employees than
> Twitter !" That's why raising up the fundraising targets can be
> more important than to facilitate a WLM event in just one
> not-so-big country ! :-P
>
> Nevertheless it still give the impression of taking the
> word-wide donors, the volunteers and the other entities
> (chapters) for pawns/chess pieces that you may move or stop
> whenever you want or
need...
Maybe the
ones to blame are the neighbouring internet companies
for setting a bad example to the WMF... :-\
--
Mathias Damour
[[User:Astirmays]]
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