Core challenges like Commons stability + capacity deserve their own
thread! I believe the wishlist is traditionally for something else.
There is nowhere else to raise these issue, especially for people like me
who are photographers not a software and tech person. I know the
phabricator exists and comment there occasionally but again things get
close because its too hard.
Tools are great, new tools can sometimes improve other times they generate
more issues.
I get it I'd rather get together with a bunch of photographers, talk gear,
test gear, and look to outdo each other with the best shots. Wishlist, the
Hack-a-thons serve this need for the tech community. we get to offer up
some ideas on what could make things easier for us. The wish list also the
one time of the year where everyone is listen to needs.
The list of issues on Commons are staggering and Commons feeds into every
other project, it was created to support media uploads. As part of COT for
2021 I was also involved in uploading of all the session recordings, and I
answered many questions about why was it taking so long, will captions be
added all I could say was Commons wasnt letting us upload large files,
Video2Commons, and VideoConverter kept falling over we couldnt get answers.
We found work arounds mostly by paying for 3rd commercial software to do
the conversion to webm then hoping uploadwizard would work. We even tried
to find server side uploading support but despite instructions on how that
isnt supported.
I see no need to create new tools when the underlying systems are failing,
its clear indication that we as community have lost our way. The wishlist
get what little funding the WMF is willing to spend on tech. As some who
has participated in the wishlist over the years, tried to get funding to
fix items like QRpedia, the thing I see is that this isnt working the tech
teams arent keeping up with the core functions of projects so forget about
extra toys. Every other aspect of the community has had reviews been first
being paused, the whole community has been consulted, and then its been
realigned to suit future needs. Its all for nothing if we dont drill down
to the core of the tech that the whole thing relies upon, if that means we
need to spend on extra people then the cost is justifiable because every
dollar of the hundred million stashed away in future funds is worthless if
the systems keeps failing or like commons appears to have reached
completely collapses.
We dont need wishes, or votes to decide whats important when theres no way
to contribute.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:50, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Szymon: neat, thanks. How do past suggestions carry over?
>
> We should definitely make more use of community-curated priority lists
> (annotated with how separable / hard they are; where they sit on the 'new
> solution <--> pay off tech debt' spectrum). And see if we can support a
> broader range of technical hubs + community groups tackling some of them.
Core challenges like Commons stability + capacity deserve their own
thread! I believe the wishlist is traditionally for something else.
>
> NBB: An interesting idea (below). It would be good for us to develop
> patterns w/ more shared creative leeway for experimenting with a collective
> call to action around major initiatives. Mozilla has some approaches to
> this. Including bounties, grants, outreach campaigns to recruit new
> contributors, awards for essential tools, workshops to train people in
> related toolchains so they can help move the space forward.
>
> S.
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:52 AM <nosebagbear(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is a proposal that would need to be included in next year's funding
>> plan. It also would involve an obligation for the other teams within the
>> Foundation.
>>
>> **Part 1: Funding redistribution and Big Ticket team**
>> I propose that we stand-up a 2nd community wishlist team... to handle the
>> "Big Ticket" items, beyond the capacities of the current team.
>> **Part 2: blocked item obligations**
>>
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