On 30/09/06, effe iets anders
<effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Please... Why are we having these fights?
Because this is the sort of thing that can come from
setting it up as
a competitive process.
Taipei has been chosen now,
and we can i think do two things: Accept that or
not. If we do the
second, we will be fighting over this for weeks,
months and maybe
longer.
I suspect at least some of those not chosen question
the transparency
of the selection criteria and process. Saying "stop
talking about
this" doesn't stop them thinking about it.
Please stop fighting over who copied something
from someone else. It
is NO use! In wiki it is *good* to copy the good
things right? As long
as it is the idea of improoving your bid, it is
OK
imho. The bid it is
copied from won't be less good by that.
I do like the idea of the wiki process being applied
to bids. It means
at least some effort is preserved for use by others.
The idea is not to *win* with
your bid,
If that is the case, it is at odds with the word
"win" being used all
the way through the process, and with it being a
competitive process.
Please let's all
hope it will be a great conference, and don't make
it harder for them
with all these fights.
The competitive process by definition has a winner
and several losers.
The losers will be upset if the selection process
and criteria appear
not to have been transparent. Telling people to stop
talking about it
won't stop them thinking about it, especially if
they feel their
concerns are being dismissed rather than addressed.
(I have no idea if
their concerns are valid, but they certainly think
they are.) And
volunteers who feel ill-treated leave the project,
which is damage to
the project caused by using a competitive process.
As I said, a competitive process will be inherently
damaging. If
there's really no other way than a competitive
process, then fine, but
don't be surprised when it has the side effects it's
*obviously* going
to have.
- d.
I intially disagreed with you, david, but now I am
coming around to your way of thinking. Everyone is a
volunteer doing there best in this. I do not doubt
that this is true. But I am beginning to think a
competitive process requires a higher level of
professionalism than can be provided by volunteers
doing their best.
Not that I think people should continue fighting over
the Wikimania 2007 selection. But we should not stop
talking about this process. We should start talking
about how future Wikimania's should be selected.
Perhaps the first task is to really define the
relationship between Wikimania and Wikimedia. Is it
dealt with through a commitee? Are there any Board
Resolutions that pertain to Wikimania? What exactly
is the connection?
Birgitte SB
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