Hi Nicholas,
Which was the outcome of the meeting with Google regarding the misuse of Wikipedia content
by Google TV?
After almost three months, I’ve seen no change (citation and/or link addition to the
article) on the summary of the movie. However, since quite recently they link all titles
with their respective Rotten Tomatoes critics at the bottom of the page.
I think we should clearly not give up on this.
Kind regards,
Xavier Dengra
El dt, 30 ag., 2022 a 15:41, Nicholas Perry <nperry(a)wikimedia.org> va escriure:
As others mentioned in the thread, WMF can't
enforce this directly as it is not the copyright holder. However, in past instances, we
have raised the issue with Google (similar to the KPN example) and will do so for this one
as well.
I am meeting with Google later today and will flag this to remind them of the copyright
obligations that come with using this text.
Thanks for surfacing this,
Nicholas
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> If I understand the CC-by-sa licence correctly, Wikipedia and WMF themselves do not
own the copyright, it is owned by the contributors who created the text. They can take
this up with Google, the WMF cannot. If you are one of those contributors you can approach
Google as misusing your copyright.
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> Hi all,
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> I want to bring a legal concern here on Google's misuse of our content. It came
up today
<https://twitter.com/epineda/status/1564143156702199813?s=20&t=z2xu6PMB29vvkpNB79p2iQ>
on Twitter that the GoogleTV app had linked a movie description text in Catalan language
(which in principle it should be good news regarding language normalization). However,
shortly after a wikipedian colleague realised that the text was fully taken by the Catalan
Wikipedia. Once I downloaded the app by myself, I double-checked that Google does not
specify anywhere (or at least that I could find minimally visible) that those lines belong
to Wikipedia: neither the origin, the license, nor a link to the full article or to the CC
license.
>
> I'd like to recall the licensing footpage on Wikipedia (Text is available under
the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License>
) and its conditions, as well as to ask others to check whether there's more
situations like this one. It's worth noting how wrong this is to minoritised language
Wikipedias: not only the legal issue itself, but also the lack of legitimate clicks and
views that we end up losing, the confusion and misunderstandings from the readers that
think this is a win by Google (the example I shared, with both screenshots enclosed), and
even a subsequent chicken-and-egg situation that can lead to deleted articles by some
users thinking that the content was stolen from Google and not actually the opposite.
>
> I remember that there was a previous thread here, not so long ago, about the problems
of Google taking over our data and therefore diminishing clicks to the Wikimedia projects.
Considering that I am fully against the GAFAM-drift that the WMF is increasingly adopting
by benefiting from Google in our human, economical and digital structures, I prefer to
share it here as well -and not only to the legal team of the WMF (cced).
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> Kind regards,
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> Xavier Dengra
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